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#481

This is just brazen. These people play all kinds of financial games, run business right at the margin of what is legal, decry regulation or legislation that “hurts their competitiveness” (abusing 1099 employees anybody?) and then cry out immediately for a bail out as soon as they feel an ounce of pain. Maybe these CEOs and VCs can fund payroll for a few pay periods. Edit: I fully expect the YC sycophants to flag this…

>Edit: I fully expect the YC sycophants to flag this story to hell and get it off the front page, and the censors here will come along with their canned finger wagging and admonishments of anybody taking them to task.

i have news for you lol.

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#482
YC has taken significant positions in their portfolio companies, which they rightfully boast are worth something like a collective $140B. They've also strongly encouraged their portfolio founders to use SVB, which made sense until the precise moment it didn't.

What I don't understand is why YC itself doesn't allocate what appears to be a painful but survivable amount of its profits and bail out its own portfolio companies.

This would cost a few billion dollars... but they have it. Indeed, a notable number of individuals closely associated with YC could do it without breaking a sweat. Indeed, there's a strong argument to be made that this would be an excellent investment in their future hero/GOAT status, never mind ensuring that their beloved startup ecosystem continues to return huge profits long into the future.

I don't share the reductive views expressed in the comments. I strongly empathize with the founders and their employees who are not investors but depositors in a bank that they were told to use. The notion that startup founders could or should maintain a bank relationship for every $250k of operating capital isn't practical or helpful.

However, I don't think that going to the US citizens is a good look, either. This petition's core ask frames it as a binary choice when the third option is that YC itself should 100% step up and take this hit.

Re: Urgent: Sign the petition now

#483
Flagged!? Come on this is extremely topical, I cannot think of a more on-topic thing for HN. It brings together:

- Silicon Valley

- Startups

- Y Combinator

- Current Events

Any one of those is an appropriate submission for Hacker News but altogether, it’s just … there is nothing more appropriate for HN. This belongs at the top of the front page where I encountered it.

Re: Urgent: Sign the petition now

#484
post #426
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you saying if I deposit [...] I should just accept the impact [...] due to events unrelated to my actions and choices? You chose that bank and you chose to deposit more than $250,000. Are you saying the limit should be higher?

I mean when that limit was set 250k was a lot, but it really needs to be pegged to inflation.

You mean 2009? The limit was 100k before then. I wouldn't be against pegging it to inflation, but that's still only moving it up to ~$330k.

Re: Urgent: Sign the petition now

#485
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LOL, nope. Not interested in taking another spin on the “privatize gain, socialize loss” merry-go-round. The banks had to be saved in 2008 because they were, like, the financial system. I don’t see why private companies and funds that are much less integral to the functioning of the economy as a whole should be saved by the public fisc. Sorry about your disruption.

Startups have been anything but “socialized losses”. They’ve literally been the growth engine of the country for the past twenty years. According to Brookings, “Annually, venture investment makes up only 0.2% of GDP, but delivers an astonishing 21% of U.S. GDP in the form of VC-backed business revenues.” https://www.brookings.edu/research/as-the-venture-capital-ga...

What growth engine? How many tech companies founded in the last 15 years are actually consistently profitable? The only one that comes to mind of note is AirBnb even if just started turning a profit.

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#487

What would I gain as a taxpayer in return for this bailout? Would the taxpayer receive 10% equity in YC? It seems like YC could have insured these funds, but didn’t. They saved money and accepted the risk. This risk is now realized. Seems bizarre that YC would be made whole. Certainly it saves jobs, but it benefits YC more than anyone else.

> Would the taxpayer receive 10% equity in YC? Make that 30–50 and we'd have a deal. Fucked up and want the state to rescue you? Fine, but your business is now mine, future profits and dividends (evabled by the bailout) will be distributed to all Americans, not just the handful of owners of "your" business. It's how the 2008 bailouts should have been handled, instead we got the biggest transfer of wealth from poor to…

In 2009, I suggested that our banks should have to add "VEB" to their name if they took any public funds. Sadly, nothing came of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkseigener_Betrieb

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#488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who cares if it's 99% of GDP of that is going into the hands of venture capitalists?

Anyone who has really looked at the 2nd order effects. SV-style tech startups distribute more equity to employees than any other sector of business I know of and the average VC’s returns are worse than private equity, worse than the stock market and worse than real estate. You only hear about the biggest winners, but venture capitalists are taking on very long odds and the vast majority lose. More importantly, we all…

Equity that will statistically be worthless?

You might as well say Hasbro distributes more money than most companies because of all of the Monopoly games they sell.

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#489
post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Garry I have a question (and this is not intended to be snarky). Why should a company, perhaps a slower and more risk-averse company who intentionally chose a different, safer banking institution to do business with, do they not get to benefit from their discretion in choosing that banking partner? One could argue that choice put them at a disadvantage against their fast-moving competitors, who chose fast-moving “cor…

Choice of bank historically has been one of the lower priority things people have to worry about. I think this changes now. If your personal bank went out of business through no fault or gain of your own, most individuals would feel that it would be fair for you as the depositor should be made whole. That's the same with a business, and as important since this represents the payrolls of thousands of people.

As an individual, I am keenly aware of deposit insurance - it’s much lower where I live, in Canada - and as such it’s common to spread your savings among multiple banking institutions to ensure you are covered (and to remove risk where any individual bank is impacted, even temporarily).

Are consumers smart for doing that? Or are they dumb for even bothering, since it sounds like they should expect to be made whole regardless? Should consumer deposits not benefit similarly if these SVB corporate deposits are made whole? What dollar limit would you recommend the FDIC or CDIC (Canada) insure going forward?

(I ask because you comment on YC asking to advance banking regulation elsewhere in this thread, and I’m wondering what a good number should be going forward. Like, should the insured amount be $10mm, or $50mm, or what?)

Re: Urgent: Sign the petition now

#490

This is just brazen. These people play all kinds of financial games, run business right at the margin of what is legal, decry regulation or legislation that “hurts their competitiveness” (abusing 1099 employees anybody?) and then cry out immediately for a bail out as soon as they feel an ounce of pain. Maybe these CEOs and VCs can fund payroll for a few pay periods. Edit: I fully expect the YC sycophants to flag this…

Your edit is exactly what happened, with the line being “depositors aren’t equity holders.” Of course no mention of the fact that depositors are only insured up to $250k and anyone who went to business school knows this and the mechanisms for reducing risks of bank failures. No recognition of the gross incompetence by vc advised startups who are the depositors here.

VC needs a haircut to capital and ego. It’s obvious now that free money is the reason for their success, not skill. Everyone looks like a genius in a bull market and when the bear comes fact and fiction are split.

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