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Ivy League Schools Sure Look Like a Cartel

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Athletic scholarships is one of those very foreign concepts, for us outside the US. Seems like a uniquely (North) American thing?

Canada has them, but fewer, smaller, and students still need the academics. We don't have the religious fervour around university sports that we see in the U.S.

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I like to joke that sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between the mafia and the government, they both demand you give them money in return for protection. Which is why the government goes after the mafia, they hate the competition.

Wow, I am so sorry...

It must be really difficult living in an area of the world where the Government tortures your child, dismembers them with a chainsaw, and dissolves them in a barrel of acid if you don't pay your taxes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupara_bianca#Examples

:(

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Athletic scholarships is one of those very foreign concepts, for us outside the US. Seems like a uniquely (North) American thing?

Cambridge, Oxford and Imperial College in the UK admit students and provide benefits, scholarships and bursaries to people that are considered world class rowing talent, quietly and unofficially.

Many European countries have special programs for sports talents to develop and receive economic benefits whilst serving military service and/or seeking higher education. Most people don't know anything about these programs as they are not advertised or generally published.

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Athletic scholarships is one of those very foreign concepts, for us outside the US. Seems like a uniquely (North) American thing?

That and the institution of the "college application essay". Does any other country have that?

College application essays for undergraduate degrees vary a lot by country.

The UK UCAS admission system used for all undergraduate admissions requires an application text. It is much freer in its form than how I understand the US system with a very specific prompt.

As for Norway, to pick another random example, there is no requirement to submit any piece of writing to explain your motivation. Your grades do all the talking for you, so to speak.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and the institution of the "college application essay". Does any other country have that?

I think it is common everywhere to require essays during the college evaluation process, but I don't understand well enough what is the US's "college application essay" to compare.

In the US you write an essay to send to the college with your application, about why you should be accepted. I don’t know of anywhere else that has anything like it.

Edit: examples https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2019...

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For some reason I can't reply to a comment that said

> Author is biased, probably couldn't get to one of those schools...

Ad hominem attack, but I was amused even though the facts don't precisely support the accusation.

It is technically true that Prof. Carter didn't attend an Ivy League school as an undergraduate - he went to Stanford, which (currently) plays in the Pac-12 and NCAA division I. Of course that doesn't tell us whether he received admission offers from any of the Ivies at that time - it seems likely that he would have.

But the reason I rate the implication "false" is because he subsequently attended and graduated from Yale's law school and currently teaches there.

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post #32
post #4

I like to joke that sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between the mafia and the government, they both demand you give them money in return for protection. Which is why the government goes after the mafia, they hate the competition.

Wow, I am so sorry... It must be really difficult living in an area of the world where the Government tortures your child, dismembers them with a chainsaw, and dissolves them in a barrel of acid if you don't pay your taxes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupara_bianca#Examples :(

You act as if governments throughout history haven’t committed atrocities a thousands times more gruesome than this. I’m fact, I can think of a fairly famous example within the past hundred years.

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The author seems to have an axe to grind. > The need for diversity in education is as vital today as ever. But it’s not clear whether the Ivy Agreement’s ban on athletic scholarships actually promotes that end. One might even wonder whether, by not competing over sports stars, the schools are reducing the diversity of their student bodies. Yet later admits: > But recent research tells us that fielding a great team pr…

You are missing the point.

It is not a problem of an individual school refusing to give academic scholarships.

Instead the problem is the schools all agreeing together to do this.

By all means, let each university individually choose if they want to allow scholarships or not, with zero agreement between the schools.

Re: Ivy League Schools Sure Look Like a Cartel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is common everywhere to require essays during the college evaluation process, but I don't understand well enough what is the US's "college application essay" to compare.

In the US you write an essay to send to the college with your application, about why you should be accepted. I don’t know of anywhere else that has anything like it. Edit: examples https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2019...

Wow, no, I have never seen anything like that before.

Is it really a literary resume for people that didn't have the time to accomplish anything yet? I just found a niche for chatGPT!

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