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Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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My mom works 12 hour shifts as a CNC machinist in the United States. Is there some point to this article or is it just neat to know?

You might want to look into the overall workinig, compensation and living standards in these countries. Especially for the kinds of plants that Apple runs. And how they might be just a bit ...those of a skilled machinist in the U.S.

That might have something to do with the article's point. And would be "neat" for you to know as well.

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No idea - it may have come to English via French too. English is a mongrel of a language.

From a brief dip in the multi volume full OED it looks like "Vice Chairman" (etc) came about via vyse | visage | "face" .. as in "This person is a substitute | deputy | "the face" of another person or role" It's a usage going back to at least 1597 and lost in the fog of time before.

Interesting. It works the same in a most European languages (Vicepresidente, Vice-président, Vizepräsident, Wiceprezydent, Viceprezident, Віцепрезидент, Вице-президент, ...).

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Denmark, Sweden and a bunch other countries in Europe that have similar rules (probably lower pay though...) are not.

I believe that after a period of strong Norwegian krone - we're now back to normal, and pay is generally better in Sweden and Denmark.

yeah, interesting. Sweden is pretty close to Norway but Denmark is considerably ahead of Norway. Doesn't seem that a high GDP correlates than much with higher salaries in Norway's case (unlike in Switzerland)

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Any ideas on how to ensure women retain financial independence?

Independence from whom? From their husbands? Only to be dependent on some stranger boss instead?

What reason is there to assume spousal abuse and abuse from a boss is comparable in either frequency or severity?

Not to mention that one relationship seems much harder to get out of than another.

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A vice is a bad habit, a vise is a tool that clamps things together.

*in American English. Both are ‘vice’ in English English (UK/NZ/AU) as far as I’m aware. ‘Vice’ in American English, still has alternative meanings, like ‘vice president’.

> ‘Vice’ in American English, still has alternative meanings, like ‘vice president’.

Why do you think it has "alternative'' meaning ? /s

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The most obvious problem is that you make workers compete against each other in a race to the bottom, with fewer and fewer protections, and employers select among the workers for those most willing to endure the most demanding hardship.

So because some people don't want to work more than 8 hours a day we must prevent everybody from working more than 8 hours a day because it will inevitably spiral into a race to the bottom? That's rhetorically pretty loose. Do we have that problem in the US? No. I don't believe this race to the bottom actually exists. Companies need all sorts of labor. Diversity of labor is good.

>Do we have that problem in the US?

We did, until we established labor laws preventing it.

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Although it's not great to need to work that much, you can make absolute bank doing overtime. My mom's a nurse and occasionally gets called in out of the blue if there's shortages. If she agrees, she can get x2 to sometimes even x3 depending on what time and day of the year it is. As much of a drag it can be getting woken up to work, she still gets excited when it happens because of how good the pay is.

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Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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> And you don't here complaints in the US because the US does not limit the amount of hours you can work in a day. The media may not amplify the complaints but the complaints are very real. > It just says that companies must provide an unpaid break for more than 5 consecutive hours of work. US law does not say that.

What does it say?

US Law does not mandate breaks at all.

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A way of "catching up"? Demanding an inhumane amount of work out of people doesn't help those people catch up, it uses up their one and only life to create wealth for a few elites in their country, and shareholders outside their country.

That could be true, but America and Europe did the same thing before they got rich. Isn't it a bit hypocritical to wag our finger at developing countries now for doing the same thing that our countries did?

I think the mistake you're making is implying that bad working conditions are inherent to a poor nation, and good working conditions are inherent to a rich nation, so the ends (good working conditions in the future) justify the means (bad working conditions now). Might it be possible that america becoming rich and america getting better working conditions were not causally related? It seems to me that better working conditions came out of labor organizing, rather than a natural result of wealth increase.

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Somehow, Apple will have a moving video about their human centered values at their next product launch and there won't be a dry eye in the room. It's sickening how effective it is.

To be fair, this does seem like a step forward wrt gender equality.
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