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A SVB short seller explains red flags he saw months ago

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Re: A SVB short seller explains red flags he saw months ago

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It's not a pyramid scheme. A pyramid scheme can only continue it people keep putting money into it. SVB didn't need more money coming in, they just couldn't handle money coming out.

Startups have expenses. SVB had a customer base that was net unprofitable. This means outflows, and tons of it. SVB depended on a continuous stream of new venture capital being shoveled into the ecosystem to compensate for these outflows. They needed new startups to bring in new cash to make up for the cash burn of their current startup customers. This is a textbook Ponzi structure. Not criminal, just a totally irres…

If that's a textbook Ponzi structure, then every bank is a textbook Ponzi structure by this logic.

It's irresponsible to paint ordinary accepted business models that have been in place for hundreds of years and that work fine the vast majority of the time with a criminal brush.

Re: A SVB short seller explains red flags he saw months ago

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What other predictions has this short seller made in a verifiable manner? It's really pointless to find someone who just guessed correctly once and take their advice. Particulalrly if their failed predictions are never made public, or are too abtract to be verifiable. I used to invest in gold and silver, expecting them to be stable investments. Back in mid 2008, I noticed a lot of large price swings. I made a few tra…

> I just got really lucky that one time

You didn't tho. Investing in gold should be a long-term investment, and in a long term price of gold trend is still rising. It was constantly rising till 2012, then fall a little bit in 2012-2016, and is rising again.

Re: A SVB short seller explains red flags he saw months ago

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post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Startups have expenses. SVB had a customer base that was net unprofitable. This means outflows, and tons of it. SVB depended on a continuous stream of new venture capital being shoveled into the ecosystem to compensate for these outflows. They needed new startups to bring in new cash to make up for the cash burn of their current startup customers. This is a textbook Ponzi structure. Not criminal, just a totally irres…

If that's a textbook Ponzi structure, then every bank is a textbook Ponzi structure by this logic. It's irresponsible to paint ordinary accepted business models that have been in place for hundreds of years and that work fine the vast majority of the time with a criminal brush.

SVB is not like other banks. Ordinary banks don't have catastrophic interest rate exposure. Regular banks don't have money burning startups as their main customer base. Regular banks don't have the problem of having billions of dollars in deposits but no way to put that money to work.

If you think SVB is a regular bank practicing accepted business models I'm not sure you appreciate how unusual SVB is in terms of their customer base and interest rate exposure.

Re: A SVB short seller explains red flags he saw months ago

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What other predictions has this short seller made in a verifiable manner? It's really pointless to find someone who just guessed correctly once and take their advice. Particulalrly if their failed predictions are never made public, or are too abtract to be verifiable. I used to invest in gold and silver, expecting them to be stable investments. Back in mid 2008, I noticed a lot of large price swings. I made a few tra…

Bleecker Street Research is a hedge fund that has been shorting since 2014. They wouldn't be in business if they were only lucky once.

Shorts perform significantly more analysis than longs, as they have to have great timing in addition to being directionally correct.

In the article, Bleecker are not making any specific predictions, just explaining their reasoning for shorting this stock.

Their one prediction is "This is not a contained event…. I don’t know what happens."

Yellen has said she is monitoring a small number of unprofitable banks carefully.

From a market perspective, short interest in the regional bank ETF KRE has been rising steadily for a while now.

Looking at unprofitable banks with high implied volatility, the market seems to think First Republic Bank FRC is under some duress.

It is exceptionally costly to short FRC right now, but I imagine anyone with more than $250k in a single account is moving money out right now. Which is the definition of a bank run.

Re: A SVB short seller explains red flags he saw months ago

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What other predictions has this short seller made in a verifiable manner? It's really pointless to find someone who just guessed correctly once and take their advice. Particulalrly if their failed predictions are never made public, or are too abtract to be verifiable. I used to invest in gold and silver, expecting them to be stable investments. Back in mid 2008, I noticed a lot of large price swings. I made a few tra…

Bleecker Street Research is a hedge fund that has been shorting since 2014. They wouldn't be in business if they were only lucky once. Shorts perform significantly more analysis than longs, as they have to have great timing in addition to being directionally correct. In the article, Bleecker are not making any specific predictions, just explaining their reasoning for shorting this stock. Their one prediction is "This…

what incentive do they have to actually give out valid information about "their reasoning for shorting this stock?" they have a serious disincentive as a hedge fund to share their insight since someone else can now make the money that they would have made.

Re: A SVB short seller explains red flags he saw months ago

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What other predictions has this short seller made in a verifiable manner? It's really pointless to find someone who just guessed correctly once and take their advice. Particulalrly if their failed predictions are never made public, or are too abtract to be verifiable. I used to invest in gold and silver, expecting them to be stable investments. Back in mid 2008, I noticed a lot of large price swings. I made a few tra…

Bleecker Street Research is a hedge fund that has been shorting since 2014. They wouldn't be in business if they were only lucky once. Shorts perform significantly more analysis than longs, as they have to have great timing in addition to being directionally correct. In the article, Bleecker are not making any specific predictions, just explaining their reasoning for shorting this stock. Their one prediction is "This…

> Bleecker Street Research is a hedge fund that has been shorting since 2014. They wouldn't be in business if they were only lucky once.

I disagree. Their model is similar to VCs in a way. Hedge funds don't care about the number of times they were correct vs. wrong, they care about the wins from the correct bets being more than losses from the bets that went wrong. It goes even further, if you think about what the point of hedging positions really is (which is essentially making a bet on something you actually believe the opposite of, as an insurance policy in case your main hypothesis goes wrong).

Just like with VCs, they don't expect most of their bets to work out. They just expect those bets that work out to bring in so much money, that the losses from the rest of the bets won't matter.

So yes, a hedge fund can be extremely successful and profitable, even if only 10% of their bet predictions end up being correct. It is all about what those bets are and how they are structured.

With that in mind, I am definitely still of the same take as the grandparent comment.

Re: A SVB short seller explains red flags he saw months ago

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bleecker Street Research is a hedge fund that has been shorting since 2014. They wouldn't be in business if they were only lucky once. Shorts perform significantly more analysis than longs, as they have to have great timing in addition to being directionally correct. In the article, Bleecker are not making any specific predictions, just explaining their reasoning for shorting this stock. Their one prediction is "This…

> Bleecker Street Research is a hedge fund that has been shorting since 2014. They wouldn't be in business if they were only lucky once. I disagree. Their model is similar to VCs in a way. Hedge funds don't care about the number of times they were correct vs. wrong, they care about the wins from the correct bets being more than losses from the bets that went wrong. It goes even further, if you think about what the po…

With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about.

A traditional hedge fund is the opposite of a VC. VC's want huge gains, which means huge volatility. Traditionally hedge funds minimize volatility rather than maximize returns. Traditional hedge funds are for those who care more about wealth retention during down times than increasing wealth during uptimes.

The maximum theoretical gain from shorting is 100%. A stock can only go to zero. If only 10% of your shorts are wildly correct and go to zero, you just made 10% on that one bet.

The maximum theoretical loss from shorting is infinite. Any one of the other shorts could blow up your fund if it went up 10x. Of course, this is a hedge fund, with risk management that would either hedge the risk or exit the position before it blew up the fund.

But shorting costs money. Especially if it's a popular short or if it pays a healthy dividend. Even if your stars align, and all the other 90% of short/long pairs just went sideways, neither generating a profit nor a loss, you are unbelievably lucky if you come anywhere close to the 8% a traditional index ETF returns over the long haul, with a 10% win rate on shorts.

Re: A SVB short seller explains red flags he saw months ago

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So you'd prefer articles be replaced entirely with outlines that only bullet point specific items? I suppose that's a position one can take, but I think many people prefer to read articles that include a coherent narrative. This one isn't even particularly long. If you'd prefer to read the ChatGPT summary you can certainly generate it.

No, exposition and context is important, but this is irrelevant l'art pour l'art prose. As the comment said it adds nothing of value. The journalist could have spent a few sentences explaining why and how this short seller is giving an interview, why this bank matters, etc.

What exactly do you consider irrelevant about the opening line of the article? I'll quote it here since the comment I responded to was flagged.

> Less than an hour before the California financial regulator closed Silicon Valley Bank’s doors on Friday, short seller Dale Wettlaufer is walking me through their financials, and laying out some metrics he’s been closely eyeballing for months.

This establishes who the short seller is, when the interview is taking place, and makes clear that short seller has come to his position after heavy review of SVB's finances over the course of months. It also makes clear for anyone who's come upon the article without context that SVB was shutdown by regulators and that it their decline was newsworthy before that happened.

> The journalist could have spent a few sentences explaining why and how this short seller is giving an interview, why this bank matters, etc

Do you really think the specifics of how the short seller is giving the interview is more important than establishing why they took a short position? The logistics of an interview seem like the least important aspect of it, but if you disagree I'd love to hear why. That said, the article makes very clear why the bank is important in it's fourth praragraph:

> The bank had long sat at the very heart of the private markets as a lender and banker to some half of the industry’s startup companies—not to mention as a prominent lender to venture funds, private equity funds, and a wealth manager to rich entrepreneurs. The bank has a fund of funds, investing in the likes of Accel or Sequoia Capital, and it invests directly in startups itself. The bank effectively touches every part of the private markets.

Also, why the short seller is giving they interview is pretty obvious if you're able to understand subtext. According to the article Dan Wettlaufer works for Bleecker Street Research which is an investment firm focused on short selling. They just made a huge return on a short play that most people never saw coming. When your organization has an outstanding moment, you publicize it.

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