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Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Post by tonyarkles »

barry-cotter wrote: post #261
jwalton wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but there’s no first amendment in Canada. There’s the Charter of Rights and Freedoms at the federal level, and the Charte des droits et libertés de la personne at the provincial level.

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is meaningless given the notwithstanding clause. The government can violate the “rights” in the Charter as long as they’re willing to pass legislation to do so every five years. https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/notwithsta...

Section 1 doesn't even require the every-five-years bit, the violation just needs to be "demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society". Drinking and driving laws and traffic checkstops, for example, fall under this; there's no evidence that a crime as been committed or any probable cause at all at the moment you're being temporarily detained, and it's a crime to refuse to provide a road-side breath sample. Both of these have been assessed by the SCC and determined to, yes, be charter violations, and yes, perfectly ok because they're justified in a free and democratic society.

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Post by denton-scratch »

cldellow wrote: post #19
colpabar wrote: post #5

I know saying "fuck the police" is an overused cliche at this point but how the fuck can anyone have any respect for the police as a whole when this is the shit they do? In canada they arrest you for a hand gesture and in america they arrest you for letting your children walk outside. How could any sane member of society go to a person's house and arrest them for these things? And they still have the nerve to complai…

TBH, I think the conduct of the cops is fine here. If someone alleges that the other party is making death threats, I want them to investigate. It's not alleged that the cops mistreated Mr. Epstein. Obviously being arrested is traumatic, but the fault here lies with the unhinged neighbour, who will hopefully be prosecuted. What's beyond the pale for me is that the Crown prosecutor brought the lawsuit at all. She's ev…

The prosecutor eventually asked the judge to acquit. For which the judge gave her credit. But I don't understand why she prerssed charges in the first place; was she so unfamiliar with the evidence that she was going to have to present, that she didn't realize it was full of holes until it came to court?

There's a missing backstory here. I wonder whether the case was prepared by a junior, and this prosecutor barged in and decided to take over at the last minute, for the sake of personal glory. I can't see why she deserves the judge's approval.

Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Post by denton-scratch »

Natsu wrote: post #202
cldellow wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH, I think the conduct of the cops is fine here. If someone alleges that the other party is making death threats, I want them to investigate. It's not alleged that the cops mistreated Mr. Epstein. Obviously being arrested is traumatic, but the fault here lies with the unhinged neighbour, who will hopefully be prosecuted. What's beyond the pale for me is that the Crown prosecutor brought the lawsuit at all. She's ev…

That's actually addressed in the article if you read deep enough. The judge praises the prosecutor for cutting the case off halfway and asking it thrown out after they heard from the defendant. They did have a video of a guy giving both middle fingers and making a motion that could ambiguously look like throat slashing. Now it wasn't that and the guy had a credible explanation of why and his neighbor is both a bad dr…

> which makes me believe they must not have known that earlier.

But why not? The evidence that was presented to the court was the complainant's evidence. The case failed on the prosecution evidence. The prosecutor should have known it wouldn't stand up.

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Post by gameman144 »

cleanchit wrote: post #234
gameman144 wrote: post #225

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Just to be clear, is this your actual position? In other words, it should be illegal to cause mental strain on a mentally ill person?

It should be illegal to finger someone's wound

But like... this isn't a wound?

The fact that something causes me anguish isn't the only factor in whether other people should be allowed to do that thing.

E.g. maybe I've had traumatic experiences around being called stupid, and whenever I perceive others as thinking I'm dumb, I remove those experiences. Should it be illegal for people to call me an idiot in such cases?

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Post by maximilianburke »

refurb wrote: post #209
defrost wrote: post #195

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Followed by: Such action, she said, would only be taken on donations made after Feb. 15’s emergency declaration and isn’t retroactive — adding such a case would be “very unlikely,” but definitely possible. The main solid takeaway from that article is that 206 accounts were definitely frozen .. accounts that very probably donations were flowing into. The rest of the article is weasel phrased, there are allegations of…

Who cares if it was "only after the emergency declaration"? Who cares if it wasn't "retroactive"? Who care if the government is sending updates on who they freeze? Those sound like a lot of attempts to say "oh, seizing people's assets without trial for the crime of a small donation only happened to a few people, so no big deal". Some blue collar guy trying to make ends meets hears about the protest after the emergenc…

Commonwealth countries follow the principle of "peace, order, and good government," rather than "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace,_order,_and_good_governm...

Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules

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Post by klyrs »

freetime2 wrote: post #247
klyrs wrote: post #223

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Lol you yanks have an actual fascist movement underway passing laws against books and education and free expression and here you are repeating their talking points concern-trolling like free speech is under attack in Canada. Get your own house in order.

There’s no rule that says you can’t be critical of another country’s policies just because your own country also has problems. After all, there are 330 million people living in the US and you can’t hold the parent responsible for all of them.

Did I, with any authority, say GP can't repeat Republican FUD? Or did I merely have a critical response?

Republicans love to point to other countries as boogeymen, "they're coming for your freeeeedoms" all the while: through fear and scapegoat and boogeymen and "religious conviction" they fight tooth and claw to take freedoms away.

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Post by rpastuszak »

politician wrote: post #228
iosystem wrote: post #167

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Montreal police are some of the worst police in Canada and the Montreal prosecutors always take any arrests by police before a Judge even if there are glaring mistakes at play. I know of a cancer patient that wanted medical assistance in dying. The hospital didn't want to provide it to her and lied to the police about her threatening to take a life of a doctor. She in fact was explaining to the doctor she would be ab…

Too bad she wasn't a veteran. (Context: Canadian VA was caught pushing MAID on its veterans.)

Care to explain what VA and MAID stand for?

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Post by icegreentea2 »

rpastuszak wrote: post #277
politician wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too bad she wasn't a veteran. (Context: Canadian VA was caught pushing MAID on its veterans.)

Care to explain what VA and MAID stand for?

Veterans Affairs and medical assistance in dying (euthanasia).

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Post by freetime2 »

klyrs wrote: post #276
freetime2 wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no rule that says you can’t be critical of another country’s policies just because your own country also has problems. After all, there are 330 million people living in the US and you can’t hold the parent responsible for all of them.

Did I, with any authority, say GP can't repeat Republican FUD? Or did I merely have a critical response? Republicans love to point to other countries as boogeymen, "they're coming for your freeeeedoms" all the while: through fear and scapegoat and boogeymen and "religious conviction" they fight tooth and claw to take freedoms away.

You also seem to be assuming the parent is a Republican, and holds a certain set of beliefs and political opinions beyond what they have stated above.
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