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For 24x7 production operations, 12 hour shifts make a lot of sense. You work 12 hours, hand off your role to the next incoming shift, and 12 hours later they hand off back to you. You do this for 3 days one week, 4 days the next. 4 hours of OT every day. I did this for 2 years at an LSI fab in Colorado Springs and it was great.
Why would this make more sense than three 8 hour shifts per day, for anybody but the employer?
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You can point fingers at a corporation all you want but that corporation is still made of people making decisions and doing the behaviors
It is. But I assume you work at a corporation, or for a corporation, or have some affiliation with the decisions of a corporation, or have done in the past. Me too. We are all a part of the problem.
The HN headline is incorrect. It’s not “12 hour shift for women”. It’s “12 hour shifts AND night shifts for women”. Night shift were not allowed earlier most likely because of safety reasons considering India’s not so great women safety record. Not saying it’s justified but that was the reason most likely.
At some level, the states do compete on setting labor rules policies to appear business-friendly. The article mentions three southern states where Apple's plants are operating. You can be sure that the rules vary in slightly different ways between the states.
Again, the statutory rules are governed by different laws -- eg: Shops and Establishments Act vs. Factories Act. Historically, they have been different. For eg: A software company or contact center might be governed by the former while a manufacturing plant would be governed by the latter.
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I believe you but I don't fully understand this. Can anyone suggest an accurate, neutral title, preferably using a representative phrase* from the article? If so, we can edit it. * https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
The title of the referenced article itself should be good enough "Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts and night shifts for women at iPhone production in India". The original poster omitted the words "and night shifts" for some reason.
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https://ourworldindata.org/working-hours https://eh.net/encyclopedia/hours-of-work-in-u-s-history/ https://www.timesizing.com/history-of-the-american-workweek/
and slaves before that and share croppers after slaves.
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The reason it's wrong is that if you work for 12 hours per day, and sleep for 8 hours per day, that leaves you with only 4 hours per day for living your ONE AND ONLY life
The problem is you don't know what the next best alternative is for that person. Maybe that option is working 18 hours getting fucked in a brothel and sleeping 6 hours. Maybe that option is working 8 hours, but watching your children starve to death. If people are lining up for these jobs, it is clearly better than their next best option in their mind. Who are you to say they are wrong?
So, no, they are definitely not wrong. But anybody who is profiting off their choice while living in comfort is wrong beyond belief.
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I’m no expert on this but there’s a long history in the fight for an 8 hour work day. Many people (myself included) think we should move to even shorter workdays, or shorter work weeks. I like the slogan they had: “8 hours for sleep, 8 hours for work, 8 hours for what we will” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day
Nobody is forcing anybody to work 12 hours a day?
In countries like India, unemployment is a significant challenge, and for those who do have jobs, the wages are often insufficient to afford basic necessities like housing, education, and healthcare. This situation can be especially difficult for families with children who are trying to provide a good life for them.
This comment lacks either empathy or ignorance.
Vote with your dollars, people. Don't buy Apple and Foxconn products if you care about the wellbeing of workers.
The good thing is that Microsoft made Windows Phone, and it was somewhat flawless. Unfortunately, they later killed it :(.
Vote with your dollars, people. Don't buy Apple and Foxconn products if you care about the wellbeing of workers.
Wait what? Because of 12 hour shifts? Should I not use hospitals either? Or are you referring to other working conditions unrelated to 12 hour shifts?
In the case of Apple, it appears they are being driven by greed, and the transfer of knowledge to work in their factories is generally unnecessary. I require people to not support greedy corporation.
My mom works 12 hour shifts as a CNC machinist in the United States. Is there some point to this article or is it just neat to know?