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Roku filed an 8-K saying that of its $1.9B of cash, $487M is stuck at SVB

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Re: Roku filed an 8-K saying that of its $1.9B of cash, $487M is stuck at SVB

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You need cash to pay for things, like payroll and rent.

But you typically run off firm promises of cash from investors. Then you only need a couple of weeks cash in the bank, and the investors promise to make cash available on demand as you need it.

In my experience with small SV companies over the last several decades, this would be exceptional. Typically you get money from investors at negotiated, spaced points in time. In between your CFO manages the cash on hand to cover everything: payroll, taxes, and any other accounts payable.

Re: Roku filed an 8-K saying that of its $1.9B of cash, $487M is stuck at SVB

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"SIPC protects against the loss of cash and securities – such as stocks and bonds – held by a customer at a financially-troubled SIPC-member brokerage firm. The limit of SIPC protection is $500,000, which includes a $250,000 limit for cash." https://www.sipc.org/for-investors/what-sipc-protects

> $500,000 That's way too low. The other thing this exposed is that FDIC protection for businesses is also too low.

If you want the government to backstop every single risk for businesses and investors, then prepare to pay a lot more in taxes.

Re: Roku filed an 8-K saying that of its $1.9B of cash, $487M is stuck at SVB

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This is how financial crises start. IndyMac ($40 billion) went under in July 2008 which caused tension, and then Lehman fell apart two months later which led to 15 institutions failing in a matter of weeks. There are other financial institutions that are suffering. We could definitely see cascades among some of the weaker banks

If you were ultra paranoid, what other institution types would be advisable to exit? Could this impact investments in the market?

Avoid holding cash above deposit insurance limits. You can play the account titling game as well as use multiple institutions. There are some banks that promise to spread your funds to multiple banks to get coverage; but you need to be sure you don't use those underlying banks elsewhere, etc.

For stocks and things, you've got some options. For best protection, you would want to have your stock ownership registered on the books of the company; you might be able to make that happen with a full-frills brokerage, ask about holding stocks not 'in street name' or you might have to transact via the registered transfer agent. Expect that to result in paying comissions and hassle.

If you don't want to go that far, making sure you don't have a margin account is a good step. Brokerages generally have to maintain customer deposits and holdings separate from the brokerage's propriatary holdings, but not necessarily for customer's margin deposits. Anyway, one should always be careful with margin.

If a brokerage fails due to their own poor investments, it shouldn't impact your holdings. Of course, if they fail due to poor record keeping or fraud, your holdings may not actually exist. SIPC provides some insurance that may apply, but the limits aren't very high and there's not that many credible brokerages to spread your holdings among.

Re: Roku filed an 8-K saying that of its $1.9B of cash, $487M is stuck at SVB

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If you were ultra paranoid, what other institution types would be advisable to exit? Could this impact investments in the market?

How paranoid would you have to get before you'd be willing to convert all your money to crypto? ;P

Crypto is correlated, it's not going to work.

Re: Roku filed an 8-K saying that of its $1.9B of cash, $487M is stuck at SVB

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How paranoid would you have to get before you'd be willing to convert all your money to crypto? ;P

If crypto had a navy and nukes, then maybe.

Switzerland has neither and China has both. Which one would you bank with?

Re: Roku filed an 8-K saying that of its $1.9B of cash, $487M is stuck at SVB

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I just got an email from Mercury saying they’re well capitalized and all is well. “ I want to assure you that Mercury is in a strong financial position (profitable and well-capitalized), and we have a number of ways that we keep deposits on Mercury safe:” Uhoh.

Is there any bank out there that can survive a panic bank run?

JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Citibank, and anyone else who will be bailed out by the fed.

But seriously, the problem with SVB was that their assets are trash and everyone knew it. If their assets were actually worth what they claimed they would have no problems.

Re: Roku filed an 8-K saying that of its $1.9B of cash, $487M is stuck at SVB

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I think it is not a US-specific thing, I live in the US and had never heard of SVB until the recent volley of articles here.

Same here but SVB was the 18th largest bank in the US.

Can you name the 16th and 17th largest banks?

Most of us can think of a few big ones, and a handful of local ones.

Re: Roku filed an 8-K saying that of its $1.9B of cash, $487M is stuck at SVB

#128

As a side note, I find it fascinating how fractional reserve banking is not only legal but considered indispensable to the economy. It just sounds like a big scam. Why do private bankers get to create money and decide who gets it? It feels like there has to be a better way.

Every game has winners and losers. The fact that losers exist doesn't mean there aren't winners. Banks with poor management go bankrupt. The ones with good management run the entire economy. One doesn't detract from the other.

Re: Roku filed an 8-K saying that of its $1.9B of cash, $487M is stuck at SVB

#129

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Same here but SVB was the 18th largest bank in the US.

Can you name the 16th and 17th largest banks? Most of us can think of a few big ones, and a handful of local ones.

Test your knowledge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_banks_in_the_U... I might have known 50% of the top 20 maximum.

Re: Roku filed an 8-K saying that of its $1.9B of cash, $487M is stuck at SVB

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Is there any bank out there that can survive a panic bank run?

JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Citibank, and anyone else who will be bailed out by the fed. But seriously, the problem with SVB was that their assets are trash and everyone knew it. If their assets were actually worth what they claimed they would have no problems.

I don't know about that. I think it's more that they never hedged their interest rate risk (or they invested in assets that were too long duration).
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