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Uh, no? Do you know how they got into this mess to begin with? They were over-exposed to US treasuries. Let's talk about that for a moment: 1) When yields go up, treasury prices fall. 2) When yields go down, treasury prices rise. 3) The only way you get the basis cost for a treasury back is if you hold to maturity. When a bank run happens, you (if you are bank) need cash. Lots of it. If you own assets, you have to se…
Over exposed to US treasuries? I don't think anyone has put those words together before. It's like saying they were over exposed to cash. You're saying a bank run occurred because they had a duration mismatch on US government debt where maturities were less than 1 year. I don't buy that explanation at all...
Emergency bridge loan for SVB customers
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Re: Emergency bridge loan for SVB customers
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It’s more complicated than that: debt assets can be classified in a number of different ways i.e. hold-to-maturity, available-for-sale or trading. Hold-to-maturity assets are not required to mark to market, for example.
Why do we let banks play these sorts of shell games? If they are holding an asset worth $0.80, I don't see why we allow them to claim it is worth $1.00 because that is what they paid for it.
And it's not based on what they paid for it from what I gather, it's based on what the total payout will be when it matures.
Re: Emergency bridge loan for SVB customers
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It’s more complicated than that: debt assets can be classified in a number of different ways i.e. hold-to-maturity, available-for-sale or trading. Hold-to-maturity assets are not required to mark to market, for example.
> Hold-to-maturity assets are not required to mark to market, for example. This is irrelevant in a scenario where every client wants to withdraw their money, because the only way SVB can fulfill that is by selling their HTM assets at the current market price, which will be at a heft discount compared to where they bought them.
Re: Emergency bridge loan for SVB customers
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let's say you have an emergency fund of 6x your monthly earnings. Instead of holding that in cash, you put that money into US treasuries at a price of 1:1. When yields rise, prices fall. Remember that. Now let's say you need to access that emergency fund, and the amount you need is 90% of it. However, what you've found is that treasury prices have fallen so far, your investment is now only worth 50% of what it was be…
I understand how they ended up with losses, having bought long duration securities at the top. I'm saying they were still solvent despite the losses. They just weren't liquid.
If you need a closer date (because you need to fulfill customer cash flow requests), then solvent plus illiquid can become insolvent quickly.
Re: Emergency bridge loan for SVB customers
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> SVB was a national bank It was more of a regional bank, specifically one servicing SV, with at most sporadic branches elsewhere, usually just one in a given state in its largest major city (e.g., one in NY: in NYC; one in D.C.; one in Colorado: in Denver). In many states they have no branches (e.g., Florida): https://www.svb.com/locations > Nothing they do isn't done by others Then why did so many startups and VCs…
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Thanks for reminding why I largely left this place for /g/.
Re: Emergency bridge loan for SVB customers
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97% of deposits in SVB exceeded the FDIC threshold. The question is, by how much on average? The amount of risk here is significant. I think this is a desperate play by a company in a struggling industry.
SVB isn’t insolvent and has more assets than deposits. The FDIC move is meant to instill stability.
Re: Emergency bridge loan for SVB customers
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97% of deposits in SVB exceeded the FDIC threshold. The question is, by how much on average? The amount of risk here is significant. I think this is a desperate play by a company in a struggling industry.
I believe the only ones SOL are SIVB shareholders. It's my understanding that SVB has enough to mostly cover their liabilities.
Re: Emergency bridge loan for SVB customers
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The FDIC threshold is a minimum guarantee. If they are able to negotiate assets into liquidity, they will be able to pay more than the minimum guarantee.
so it sounds like a gamble on what brex expects that actual return to be
> This credit line is funded by 3rd-party capital (and not Brex directly), who are working with Brex to minimize the impact of this event to the startup ecosystem.
It sounds like a bunch of VCs are gambling on the return, while also knowing it helps stabilize the system that built (and likely holds, in some way or another) their wealth.
Re: Emergency bridge loan for SVB customers
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No, SVB was solvent as long as their assets didn’t have to marked to market, once there was a bank run they became insolvent. If the SVB assets are liquidated they will not cover the deposits.
They were still solvent despite the mark to market losses - they just couldn't meet reserve requirements (and planned to raise money through a stock sale to that effect) after the assets were marked to market. Meeting reserve requirements is a much higher bar than simply having assets worth more than liabilities.
Re: Emergency bridge loan for SVB customers
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I think they bank with Celtic Bank. I think this because it says on the Stripe Capital product page on the bottom: https://stripe.com/capital/platforms > Loans are issued by Celtic Bank, a Utah-Chartered Industrial Bank Member FDIC. All loans subject to credit approval.
The issuing bank for loans isn't necessarily where the company keeps the majority of their assets.
Stripe itself was, and probably still is, using Wells Fargo for US corporate accounting, per https://qr.ae/pvERsZ