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Re: Twitter’s $42k-per-month API prices out nearly everyone

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Post by Avshalom »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

I'm not the greatest Musk fan but IMHO his approach to charge those who benefits from Twitter is spot on and I'm actually rooting for him to be able to find a viable business model which does not rely on selling my attention to highest bidder. If you are going to influence people, pay for the reach and If you are going to mine data, pay for the data. I guess the exact pricing can be adjusted according to the market n…

you're opposed to selling your attention to the highest bidder but you think it's a good business model to sell all of "your data" to any "market rate" bidder?

you know those are just the same thing right?

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Post by MBCook »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

I'm not the greatest Musk fan but IMHO his approach to charge those who benefits from Twitter is spot on and I'm actually rooting for him to be able to find a viable business model which does not rely on selling my attention to highest bidder. If you are going to influence people, pay for the reach and If you are going to mine data, pay for the data. I guess the exact pricing can be adjusted according to the market n…

If drive everyone important off for good with a ridiculous price before “the market adjusts” (Musk changes his mind) you’ve done permanent damage to your operation.

Re: Twitter’s $42k-per-month API prices out nearly everyone

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Post by anigbrowl »

mrtksn wrote: post #66
anigbrowl wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Academics don't resell the data to others. In fact, their existing agreements with Twitter requires their published datasets (for reproducibility) to be anonymized precisely to ensure they don't become a commercial goldmine. Given that most of the article is about the pricing tiers for academic use, based on marketing communications to universities, your comment seems strangely indifferent to the context of this news…

Academic work has all kinds of costs, why should data be free of charge?

Sorry, no time for goalpost-chasing today.

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Post by makestuff »

favaq wrote: post #124
anigbrowl wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Academics don't resell the data to others. In fact, their existing agreements with Twitter requires their published datasets (for reproducibility) to be anonymized precisely to ensure they don't become a commercial goldmine. Given that most of the article is about the pricing tiers for academic use, based on marketing communications to universities, your comment seems strangely indifferent to the context of this news…

I don't see anything positive coming out of academia having access to the Twitter firehose.

When I was in college we used it to try and try a sentiment analysis model since they are notoriously bad at detecting sarcasm and Twitter was full of sarcasm.

We also used the API to try and determine the most impacted areas after a natural disaster. Basically it would use the model we trained to try and read tweets of people that needed help or people tweeting about severe damage and group them by their coordinates.

The first one I agree isn’t really positive since it is just using other people’s data to train a model, but the second one could’ve been a useful tool to help EMS during a natural disaster.

Re: Twitter’s $42k-per-month API prices out nearly everyone

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Post by l33t233372 »

user3939382 wrote: post #120
ahahahahah wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The white house wasn't even doing the same. The fbi was pointing out tweets that violated Twitter's rules and suggesting that they evaluate them but that it was totally up to Twitter about what to do. The white house was pointing out tweets that embarrassed or otherwise hurt Trump's feelings and demanding that Twitter take them down

[flagged]

Where did you hear that?

Re: Twitter’s $42k-per-month API prices out nearly everyone

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Post by thrwawy74 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #82

I'm surprised that nobody has noticed that the price was set at 42k because it's another one of Musk's 420 (aka weed) jokes, and not because of any specific data showing that is the optimal price point for this offering.

He will run on the vague impression people had of him being a cool guy who smokes weed for the next 2 decades. I hope he goes to Mars so we don't have to hear about him, or at least we'll have an 8 minute delay?

Re: Twitter’s $42k-per-month API prices out nearly everyone

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Post by weaksauce »

clouddrover wrote: post #92
mike_d wrote: post #24

All of these moves make sense when you zoom out and realize Musk has no interest in Twitter as a business. It is a megaphone to amplify his own voice and the voices that support his viewpoints. Having third party API consumers able to pull in content and reorder it other than how he wants it presented is counter to that goal. The genius of Fox News was "why spend money on buying political attack ads when you can just…

> The genius of Fox News was "why spend money on buying political attack ads when you can just buy the network and run them all day long." No, that's a misunderstanding. What Fox News cares about is growing and maintaining an audience because that's what profitable. In pursuit of that profit, Fox News will foster its community however it can. And so, driven by profit seeking, Fox News has embraced total nihilism. Fox…

fox news was quite literally built as an answer to "how do we stop watergate from happening again to the republican party"

look up the roger ailes papers from when it was founded

Re: Twitter’s $42k-per-month API prices out nearly everyone

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Post by MBCook »

watwut wrote: post #130
MBCook wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point it seems far more likely he was scared of discovery and penalties in the Twitter lawsuit over him trying to back out of the deal. Not sure why. He’s lost SO MUCH MONEY and reputation seems like he’d have been better off not going through with the purchase.

Mostly, possibly. But a lot hinges on what exactly would discovery found. We do not know what was there.

Nope. But he seemed afraid if it, whatever it was. Maybe something that would lead to jail instead of financial losses? That would make sense I guess.

The number everyone threw around was that $1 billion penalty he agreed to. People here on HN said it would never be that high.

$1 billion seems cheap compared to what he’s lost by now.

The only other explanation that makes sense to me is he was so far down the conspiracy rabbit hole he was willing to lose billions to prove an imaginary conspiracy because… it would make him more famous and popular?

I’d love to know the truth of all of this some day.

Re: Twitter’s $42k-per-month API prices out nearly everyone

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Post by noarchy »

recuter wrote: post #107
mike_d wrote: post #24

All of these moves make sense when you zoom out and realize Musk has no interest in Twitter as a business. It is a megaphone to amplify his own voice and the voices that support his viewpoints. Having third party API consumers able to pull in content and reorder it other than how he wants it presented is counter to that goal. The genius of Fox News was "why spend money on buying political attack ads when you can just…

What are his viewpoints and how are they amplified considering anybody can post anything?

>What are his viewpoints and how are they amplified considering anybody can post anything?

It's more complicated than just the ability to post. Never discount the power of the algorithm. And that can be tinkered with:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-15/musk-forc...

Re: Twitter’s $42k-per-month API prices out nearly everyone

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Post by quest88 »

cmh89 wrote: post #111
recuter wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are his viewpoints and how are they amplified considering anybody can post anything?

>What are his viewpoints Musk is very vocal about his far-right views. He's anti-union, anti-public health, etc. >how are they amplified considering anybody can post anything? Anyone can post anything, but Musk can and has systemically prioritized his tweets over organic content.

Whoah whoah whoa. I don't care for Elon, but let's be intentional about using "far-right". [Caveat: Assume USA left and right parties are discussed] If we keep throwing that around when we mean right leaning or politically right views then anyone on the right is going to be "far-right" and we're never going to work together. I think that the other comments to you are to point out where Elon has fascist or Nazism beliefs. Maybe use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics as a start?
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