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Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules
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Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules
#22If you look past the headline, this story is almost "basic sanity". The guy's neighbour didn't want the accused's kids playing in the street (in the suburbs) because they have a yard. To "prove" his point that it was dangerous he drove recklessly around the kids in the street. The accused flipped him off and (allegedly because he denies it) threatened him. Now frankly, I don't see why this would be hackernews-worthy,…
I would posit that common sense is the antithesis to government. Consider children whose parents are arrested for letting them walk to the park, or the woman arrested for silently praying, in her head, while standing in front of an abortion clinic.
Prosecutorial abuse is equally, if not more of a crisis in the world, than police abusing their arrest powers.
Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules
#23If you look past the headline, this story is almost "basic sanity". The guy's neighbour didn't want the accused's kids playing in the street (in the suburbs) because they have a yard. To "prove" his point that it was dangerous he drove recklessly around the kids in the street. The accused flipped him off and (allegedly because he denies it) threatened him. Now frankly, I don't see why this would be hackernews-worthy,…
> To "prove" his point that it was dangerous he drove recklessly around the kids in the street. It probably is dangerous [0] because people don’t let their kids play in the street anymore so drivers aren’t used to having them there. Not like when I was a kid where we would get ball games going and pause to let the cars pass. People expected kids to be playing in the street so didn’t drive like complete lunatics. Can’…
> Not like when I was a kid where we would get ball games going and pause to let the cars pass. People expected kids to be playing in the street so didn’t drive like complete lunatics.
In my neighborhood kids play in the street all the time. There are basketball goals up and down my street and the kids pause the ball games to let the cars pass.
Are you sure that you don't just live in a different place now?
Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules
#24Court decision http://citoyens.soquij.qc.ca/php/decision.php?ID=B4064956004...
That was a very entertaining read. Pulling no punches in the conclusion:
> 'In the modern-day vernacular, people often refer to a criminal case “being thrown out”. Obviously, this is little more than a figurative expression. Cases aren’t actually thrown out, in the literal or physical sense. Nevertheless, in the specific circumstances of this case, the Court is inclined to actually take the file and throw it out the window, which is the only way to adequately express my bewilderment with the fact that Mr. Epstein was subjected to an arrest and a fulsome criminal prosecution. Alas, the courtrooms of the Montreal courthouse do not have windows.'
Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules
#25If you look past the headline, this story is almost "basic sanity". The guy's neighbour didn't want the accused's kids playing in the street (in the suburbs) because they have a yard. To "prove" his point that it was dangerous he drove recklessly around the kids in the street. The accused flipped him off and (allegedly because he denies it) threatened him. Now frankly, I don't see why this would be hackernews-worthy,…
I would posit that common sense is the antithesis to government. Consider children whose parents are arrested for letting them walk to the park, or the woman arrested for silently praying, in her head, while standing in front of an abortion clinic. Prosecutorial abuse is equally, if not more of a crisis in the world, than police abusing their arrest powers.
I have a conflicting opinions on this post. On one hand, I loathe the use of "the government" as though it is some sort of monoblock. There are plenty of people who get into public service as a way to tangibly improve society and the lives of the people.
OTOH, you are right that too many people get away with abusing their powers.
Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules
#26I know saying "fuck the police" is an overused cliche at this point but how the fuck can anyone have any respect for the police as a whole when this is the shit they do? In canada they arrest you for a hand gesture and in america they arrest you for letting your children walk outside. How could any sane member of society go to a person's house and arrest them for these things? And they still have the nerve to complai…
Looks like the cops did the right thing there :
>In his testimony, Naccache simply says that the police treated it like a neighbourly dispute and accordingly declined to press the matter further. They were “not keen of processing a harassment complaint”.[11] However, he conveniently omits mentioning what he noted in his written log.
>The log reveals that, to his dismay, the police officer informed him that his brother Ari could have been charged with assault and his father Frank could have been ticketed for driving dangerously. In his notes, Naccache took the officer’s warning as a “threat”. He also complained that the officers did nothing about Mr. Epstein not wearing a COVID mask… outdoors.
Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would posit that common sense is the antithesis to government. Consider children whose parents are arrested for letting them walk to the park, or the woman arrested for silently praying, in her head, while standing in front of an abortion clinic. Prosecutorial abuse is equally, if not more of a crisis in the world, than police abusing their arrest powers.
I have a conflicting opinions on this post. On one hand, I loathe the use of "the government" as though it is some sort of monoblock. There are plenty of people who get into public service as a way to tangibly improve society and the lives of the people. OTOH, you are right that too many people get away with abusing their powers.
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Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules
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> "Osiris bless Egypt", What is there to "feel?" Is there some reason we shouldn't let our basic human tolerance apply here as well? > God-given, huh. Typically, when used by governments, it's meant to mean rights that aren't endowed upon you by the state and thus aren't within the purview of the state to police or remove.
George Carlin has a great classic bit on "God-given" rights.
Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules
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> "Osiris bless Egypt", What is there to "feel?" Is there some reason we shouldn't let our basic human tolerance apply here as well? > God-given, huh. Typically, when used by governments, it's meant to mean rights that aren't endowed upon you by the state and thus aren't within the purview of the state to police or remove.
Except when I say it's God-given and the state disagrees, then I don't get the right. When states do it, they do it so that they don't become the object of frustration when they don't grant the right. Anyone believing it (god given, or natural, or universal human) is willingly letting the state dupe them into this arrangement at their expense and the benefit of the government.
Re: Giving the finger is a ‘God-given right’, Canadian judge rules
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not really following. Are you saying you have a problem with the idiom "God-given"?
If @ggambetta believes that there are people with influence in society who take the idiom literally then it would be reasonable for @ggambetta to be concerned and to have a problem with the idiom. Perhaps the judge could have used a more precise legal formula to avoid just this kind of concern.
> If @ggambetta believes that there are people with influence in society who take the idiom literally then it would be reasonable for @ggambetta to be concerned and to have a problem with the idiom.
Can't the same be said for people who believe the world is flat? After all they believe it, so their concern about the round world conspiracy has to be reasonable, right?
I think there might be a tiny gap in your reasoning.