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Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by blendergeek »

dcow wrote: post #28
advisedwang wrote: post #25

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Or maybe the men are already being abused? Perhaps if there were working hour rules for everyone, wages would have to come up? The US has working hour regulations, but I don't hear the workers complain that they are being stifled from working as much as the want.

What's inherently abusive about a 12 hour work day? And you don't here complaints in the US because the US does not limit the amount of hours you can work in a day. It just says that companies must provide an unpaid break for more than 5 consecutive hours of work.

> And you don't here complaints in the US because the US does not limit the amount of hours you can work in a day.

The media may not amplify the complaints but the complaints are very real.

> It just says that companies must provide an unpaid break for more than 5 consecutive hours of work.

US law does not say that.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by throw93 »

The HN headline is incorrect. It’s not “12 hour shift for women”. It’s “12 hour shifts AND night shifts for women”. Night shift were not allowed earlier most likely because of safety reasons considering India’s not so great women safety record. Not saying it’s justified but that was the reason most likely.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by sct202 »

vamega wrote: post #16
glogla wrote: post #9

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Previous was max shift of 9 hours and max overtime of 75 hours per three months. Now it is 12 hour shifts with 145 hours of overtime per three months. So yeah, this comes at 5x12 shifts.

> The legislation limits the maximum workweek to 48 hours, but also increases the number of overtime allowed to 145 over a three-month period from the previous 75 hours. A 5x12 shift would require 1/5 of the time to be classified as overtime. Indian labour laws seem to state that overtime must be paid at 2x regular wages. Almost seems like it would make sense to hire more people and have them work 4x12?

It depends on the benefits, taxes, training they pay for the incremental employees if it's worth it to plan for overtime or hire more people. Foxconn is a massive operation making a tiny profit margin thru contract manufacturing so if they're doing it this way, it probably makes sense for them.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by ivan_gammel »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #69
potamic wrote: post #27

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It's terrible for the workers, because currently they get overtime pay beyond 9 hours, this law effectively reduces overtime by 3 hours. Women also play a bigger role in running the household, and with 12-hour shifts plus commute time, this must take a big toll on the family.

These are - relatively - good jobs, right?

I don’t think these jobs are making them rich. No need to relativize a socially backward policy.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by timerol »

In addition to the 12 hour shift for all, and night shifts being allowed for women, there is still a 48 hour workweek, and maximum overtime of 145 hours in a 3 month period (an average of one extra 12 hour shift per week). Indian employers are required to pay double for overtime, so this seems mostly like the ability to move to 12x4 instead of 8x6. From an Indian minister:

> “Now, the rule is that workers should work for 48 hours and the aim is to reduce work from six days a week to four or five and in a total week, the work still remains at 48 hours. In the case of those working for 10 hours a day, the workers will work for five days a week and those who work for eight hours a day will work for six days a week,” Ashwathnarayan said.

From https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/karnataka-passes-bill-a...

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Post by dcow »

AstixAndBelix wrote: post #54
dcow wrote: post #44

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Then don't work 12 hours a day. Simple.

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What hyperbolic nonsense!

For your comment to even begin to be taken seriously the majority of employers in India would have to de-facto require 12 hour work days. That's just not even remotely close to being true.

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