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KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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This is not comparable. Reminds me of this joke: Sure, the Soviet Union has free speech, just like in America. In the US, you can stand in front of the White House and yell, "Down with Reagan," and it's fine. Moscow is like that too. You can stand on Red Square and yell, "Down with Reagan." No problem at all

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> The US has banned Russian media

Some European countries may have, but America has not. I can still read RT just fine.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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It's crazy. I know a Russian guy who is exactly like this; I debate with him all the time. Almost every night. About the war. Bluntly invested in winning, regardless of what the system looks like; even admitting that it's a terrible system; using weak arguments for why people need structural dominance, while simultaneously arguing in favor of "the people" - (and using a historical American failings as a way to draw f…

The over-confidence in clearly irrational positions, the bluster and bluffing and bullying are all coping mechanisms for what their brains detect as cognitive dissonance. "How can my life be so bad, dreary, miserable, and inadequate?" "It must not be my situation, but it must be everyone else, so I will fight everyone else, as I can't change my situation." Rather than improve their own lot, they seek to destroy other…

One should ask, though, what makes improvement impossible.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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The over-confidence in clearly irrational positions, the bluster and bluffing and bullying are all coping mechanisms for what their brains detect as cognitive dissonance. "How can my life be so bad, dreary, miserable, and inadequate?" "It must not be my situation, but it must be everyone else, so I will fight everyone else, as I can't change my situation." Rather than improve their own lot, they seek to destroy other…

One should ask, though, what makes improvement impossible.

A rational person would indeed ask that. Is that what we're dealing with tho?

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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This interview keeps coming up, and I don't really understand why. It's utterly uninteresting. Bezmenov had an inconsequential role in the KGB. He was not privy to any large-scale details. Bezmenov defected in 1970. After his defection would not be privy to any new information. The interview is from 1984 and not 1985 as the title purports. Ultimately, the claims in this video are categorically false. We can observe t…

> So we must look a little closer at Bezmenov - why would he claim these things, and why does the interview keep resurfacing?

Bezmenov isn't even alone in this. Defectors are notoriously unreliable: they tell their host country whatever they want to hear; in this case, because he correctly read the prevailing fears of the Reagan era. He is not the only Soviet defector who told inconsistent or outright false stories.

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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This is not comparable. Reminds me of this joke: Sure, the Soviet Union has free speech, just like in America. In the US, you can stand in front of the White House and yell, "Down with Reagan," and it's fine. Moscow is like that too. You can stand on Red Square and yell, "Down with Reagan." No problem at all

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Which Russian media has been banned in the US?

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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This is not comparable. Reminds me of this joke: Sure, the Soviet Union has free speech, just like in America. In the US, you can stand in front of the White House and yell, "Down with Reagan," and it's fine. Moscow is like that too. You can stand on Red Square and yell, "Down with Reagan." No problem at all

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Ban? Are you in the US? can you access this? https://www.rt.com/

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This is not comparable. Reminds me of this joke: Sure, the Soviet Union has free speech, just like in America. In the US, you can stand in front of the White House and yell, "Down with Reagan," and it's fine. Moscow is like that too. You can stand on Red Square and yell, "Down with Reagan." No problem at all

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I think you mean that the US banned Russian media companies that are controlled by the Kremlin. If there is something that we in the west would call a "free press" in Russia then those would not be banned. That's my take anyway.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/08/politics/us-russia-sanctions-...

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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This is not comparable. Reminds me of this joke: Sure, the Soviet Union has free speech, just like in America. In the US, you can stand in front of the White House and yell, "Down with Reagan," and it's fine. Moscow is like that too. You can stand on Red Square and yell, "Down with Reagan." No problem at all

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"The US" doesn't accuse anyone.

We who know anything about Russia might however.

And, I think if you look around a little you'll find access to outside information and options to distribute it way harder in Russia.

Also, the lies they serve are hilarious: just today I saw a video with one of the chief propagandists claiming on TV that people in the UK hunt squirrels for food :-)

Re: KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov 1985 Interview – Idealogical Subversion

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This interview keeps coming up, and I don't really understand why. It's utterly uninteresting. Bezmenov had an inconsequential role in the KGB. He was not privy to any large-scale details. Bezmenov defected in 1970. After his defection would not be privy to any new information. The interview is from 1984 and not 1985 as the title purports. Ultimately, the claims in this video are categorically false. We can observe t…

This has nothing to do with Reagan. Bezmenov defected to Canada.

His role in the KGB was so inconsequential that he saw the files of journalists who were slated for executed come revolution. Got it. I'm sure everyone could freely access those.

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