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Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Previous was max shift of 9 hours and max overtime of 75 hours per three months. Now it is 12 hour shifts with 145 hours of overtime per three months. So yeah, this comes at 5x12 shifts.

A point of comparison - in Norway employers need special dispensation to have workers work more than 100 hours overtime per year (with max 40 regular hours/week and five weeks paid vacation time).

I mean worker rights in Scandinavian countries are rather the exception.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Or maybe the men are already being abused? Perhaps if there were working hour rules for everyone, wages would have to come up? The US has working hour regulations, but I don't hear the workers complain that they are being stifled from working as much as the want.

What's inherently abusive about a 12 hour work day? And you don't here complaints in the US because the US does not limit the amount of hours you can work in a day. It just says that companies must provide an unpaid break for more than 5 consecutive hours of work.

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Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Or maybe the men are already being abused? Perhaps if there were working hour rules for everyone, wages would have to come up? The US has working hour regulations, but I don't hear the workers complain that they are being stifled from working as much as the want.

What's inherently abusive about a 12 hour work day? And you don't here complaints in the US because the US does not limit the amount of hours you can work in a day. It just says that companies must provide an unpaid break for more than 5 consecutive hours of work.

If you want to dedicate your life completely to work, go ahead, but others maybe just want to work normal 9-5 jobs and have some free time for other activities

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe the men are already being abused? Perhaps if there were working hour rules for everyone, wages would have to come up? The US has working hour regulations, but I don't hear the workers complain that they are being stifled from working as much as the want.

What's inherently abusive about a 12 hour work day? And you don't here complaints in the US because the US does not limit the amount of hours you can work in a day. It just says that companies must provide an unpaid break for more than 5 consecutive hours of work.

I’m no expert on this but there’s a long history in the fight for an 8 hour work day. Many people (myself included) think we should move to even shorter workdays, or shorter work weeks.

I like the slogan they had: “8 hours for sleep, 8 hours for work, 8 hours for what we will”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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A point of comparison - in Norway employers need special dispensation to have workers work more than 100 hours overtime per year (with max 40 regular hours/week and five weeks paid vacation time).

I mean worker rights in Scandinavian countries are rather the exception.

Scandinavia, especially Denmark, are known for having few labor laws. That's the point of the Danish model: few workers' rights

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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So from what I can tell, it sounds like this is a win for women in India. They were restricted from working as long as men (and still are?) so they couldn't make as much money as men. I mostly post this because my initial reaction was "oh they made it easier to abuse them!" but it sounds like that's not actually the case, which is a bit of a relief.

Or maybe the men are already being abused? Perhaps if there were working hour rules for everyone, wages would have to come up? The US has working hour regulations, but I don't hear the workers complain that they are being stifled from working as much as the want.

Are there not working rule limitations for everyone? It sounds like this will effectively limit them to a 4 day work week if they're working 12 hour shifts, barring overtime.

>The state of Karnataka passed an amendment to the laws allowing 12-hour shifts and night shifts for women. Women dominate electronics production lines in parts of Asia, but are underrepresented in the Indian workforce. The legislation limits the maximum workweek to 48 hours, but also increases the number of overtime allowed to 145 over a three-month period from the previous 75 hours.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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So from what I can tell, it sounds like this is a win for women in India. They were restricted from working as long as men (and still are?) so they couldn't make as much money as men. I mostly post this because my initial reaction was "oh they made it easier to abuse them!" but it sounds like that's not actually the case, which is a bit of a relief.

I think the main takeaway is that India (well, in the state of Karnataka, population 64M) now allows 60 hour work weeks for non-salaried people of both genders. Not as an exception, but as an average.

And that Apple was behind this. It's pretty hard to view this as a positive change.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Well, there’s no shift manager walking the hallways in hospitals with clubs threatening you to work faster or suffer punishment. And the nurses can quit without fear of violence or imprisonment.

Gut Reaction - How short of shifts would make those things okay? 10 hour? 8 hour? 6 hour?

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Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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I have very little understanding of India. While reading the article, it sounds like the changes to Indian labor law would enable more hours to be worked. However, I don't understand whether this is a good or bad thing for the average worker (and/or woman) in India. Can someone provide more insight? Thanks.

It's terrible for the workers, because currently they get overtime pay beyond 9 hours, this law effectively reduces overtime by 3 hours. Women also play a bigger role in running the household, and with 12-hour shifts plus commute time, this must take a big toll on the family.

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