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Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Gut Reaction: In what ways is this different from woman nurses in American hospitals regularly working 12-hour (or longer) shifts?

Well, there’s no shift manager walking the hallways in hospitals with clubs threatening you to work faster or suffer punishment. And the nurses can quit without fear of violence or imprisonment.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Gut Reaction: In what ways is this different from woman nurses in American hospitals regularly working 12-hour (or longer) shifts?

Yes it's just as bad. Long shifts are hard on the mind and body regardless of profession

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Gut Reaction: In what ways is this different from woman nurses in American hospitals regularly working 12-hour (or longer) shifts?

Hospitals are a little different in that society has more of an incentive for longer shifts since shift changes end up killing people as the knowledge transfer isn't perfect from one shift to the next. That incentive makes it reasonable to treat healthcare workers a little differently from a legal perspective when compared with jobs with less societal benefit like making iPhones.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Gut Reaction: In what ways is this different from woman nurses in American hospitals regularly working 12-hour (or longer) shifts?

Perhaps it's not worse, but why do we reflexively set the bar at the worst working conditions we can think of?

If tens (or hundreds?) of thousands of rather well-paid American professionals are also working in the conditions mentioned (12-hour shifts), then I assume that the headline is "anything that says 'Apple'" clickbait.

Or a symptom of sheltered & pampered western office workers - who at times seem to view normal, physical work as a human rights violation.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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If I'm following the numbers correctly it seems to functionally come out at max of ~60h/week where ~12 of that would be at an overtime rate. Not sure what that compares to before but it sounds like an increase in both base and overtime limits. Interesting the night shift wasn't allowed for women before.

Previous was max shift of 9 hours and max overtime of 75 hours per three months. Now it is 12 hour shifts with 145 hours of overtime per three months. So yeah, this comes at 5x12 shifts.

> The legislation limits the maximum workweek to 48 hours, but also increases the number of overtime allowed to 145 over a three-month period from the previous 75 hours.

A 5x12 shift would require 1/5 of the time to be classified as overtime. Indian labour laws seem to state that overtime must be paid at 2x regular wages.

Almost seems like it would make sense to hire more people and have them work 4x12?

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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I have very little understanding of India. While reading the article, it sounds like the changes to Indian labor law would enable more hours to be worked. However, I don't understand whether this is a good or bad thing for the average worker (and/or woman) in India. Can someone provide more insight? Thanks.

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Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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I have very little understanding of India. While reading the article, it sounds like the changes to Indian labor law would enable more hours to be worked. However, I don't understand whether this is a good or bad thing for the average worker (and/or woman) in India. Can someone provide more insight? Thanks.

I don’t know the finer details, but if they are proportionately paid more this is definitely a big step in the right direction for women workers.

In general, women participation in workforce is outright abysmal in India. Hopefully this will be on of the many small steps towards addressing that.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it's not worse, but why do we reflexively set the bar at the worst working conditions we can think of?

If tens (or hundreds?) of thousands of rather well-paid American professionals are also working in the conditions mentioned (12-hour shifts), then I assume that the headline is "anything that says 'Apple'" clickbait. Or a symptom of sheltered & pampered western office workers - who at times seem to view normal, physical work as a human rights violation.

I used to do 12 hour shifts in EMS, where men and women are on the same shift system, so no issue with the hours. But factory work (which I've also done, 8 hour shifts) is constantly intense across the whole shift and I wouldn't want to do it for 12 hours.

Re: Apple and Foxconn win permission for 12-hour shifts for women in India

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Gut Reaction: In what ways is this different from woman nurses in American hospitals regularly working 12-hour (or longer) shifts?

Yes it's just as bad. Long shifts are hard on the mind and body regardless of profession

The username fits the sentiment
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