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Are road speed limits based on safety?

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Re: Are road speed limits based on safety?

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My dad is a highway engineer in the US, has been for 40 years. He has always told me that their plans' speed limit recommendations are based on 5 mph less than the max safe driving conditions for the particular road. There are a lot of factors that go into max safe driving conditions (in ideal weather).

Curvature is certainly one, remember that different cars handle turns differently and the bank of the road can allow for faster turns than a non-banked road. Highways have a significant bank, but that depends on region because freezing conditions limit the ability to bank a highway (imagine stopped traffic on an icy road, you can't have them sliding toward the median!).

Another important factor is distance-to-stop. In some cases there is a median blocking the view around a corner. All else being equal the turn should be fine at 65mph but because of the lack of sight distance they have to lower it to 55mph.

Now the actual speed posted on the road doesn't always exactly match the engineering designs. For example, the PA turnpike recently increased the speed limit for most of the highway from 65mph to 75mph. Over the last 50 years they've done a lot of incremental enhancements on flattening turns, adding a 3rd lane, etc. but my dad has told me that the increase to 75 was dubious due to turning radius still being unsafe at 80mph over certain sections.

Re: Are road speed limits based on safety?

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My dad is a highway engineer in the US, has been for 40 years. He has always told me that their plans' speed limit recommendations are based on 5 mph less than the max safe driving conditions for the particular road. There are a lot of factors that go into max safe driving conditions (in ideal weather). Curvature is certainly one, remember that different cars handle turns differently and the bank of the road can allo…

Another guess I should mention for the vast straight highways of the midwest is that drag increases as a square of the speed. Normal vehicles are more efficient at 60mph than 80mph so this _might_ be a factor in areas where a max safe driving speed approaches infinity (Kansas).

Re: Are road speed limits based on safety?

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other than facilitating smug "we know better" commentary from the peanut gallery why not throw up chevrons? It's long since been established that alerting drivers to specific hazards at or before those hazards is far more effective at reducing the hazard than dropping the speed limit or slapping up a "windy road" sign far in advance.

There is actually signage alerting people to this hazard, as is the norm, in addition to the lower limit. Ironically, there is a low bridge a mile before this bit of road with huge signs alerting truck drivers that it is quite a bit 'lower' than they might be reckoning on. Guess what, it still gets hit - so much so there is now flashing light signage in addition and, thus far, this has also proved ineffective. I'll s…

Sounds similar to the famous 8 ft 11 in bridge [1] (since raised to 12 ft 4 in, but still racking up victims). 177 crashes since 2008, most of them caught on camera at that site.

[1] http://11foot8.com/

Re: Are road speed limits based on safety?

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I would say no they are not and that's because after driving for about five years a driver acquires an expert sense of the safe speed for the stretch of road they happen to be on. In fact sometimes the speed limits are set at close to the 85 percentile speed of the of the traffic, so in effect the drivers set the speed limit.

Snow on the road? No one is driving close to the limit. In my area there are even curves that are purposefully slanted away from the curve of the road so that drivers will slow down on that curve. For a lot of drivers their slowing is subconscious but it still works.

A wide, straight road beside an elementary school and traffic will fly by unless the serious steps are taken to alert the subconscious brains of the drivers to slow down. Narrow the road, put a huge red square across the road with a huge "20 mph" written in it and some drivers will slow down. More will slow down if there are kids around. Almost all drivers speed is set by their subconscious.

There is one particular situation where the driver's subconscious expertise doesn't work very well and that's on highways with intersections. It's raining, the light turns red, you're driving at a speed that's safe for the highway but not safe for stopping at the light and you rear end the car in front. On such highway near me they put in a long strip of high traction pavement in front of these intersections so when the light turns red drivers can stop safely and quickly.

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