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BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash

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Re: BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash

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There’s been a clear right wing shift since around the Iraq war. It’s only gotten worse under the Tories, with party members in senior positions.

The Iraq Was was started by a Labour government, and from what I remember the BBC seemed to be very against it.

Yes, that's why the BBC was then subjugated more directly to state control.

New Labour was a centre-right party, just like Labour today.

Re: BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash

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This is worrying as the BBC is supposed to be impartial and yet seems to be moving rightwards. There would seem to be a pattern of events: Richard Sharp made a loan to Boris Johnson and then was made the Chair of the BBC which has been described as "an error of judgement". More recently, there's been the criticism of Gary Lineker for calling out the Home Office's use of language (he compared it to Nazi Germany). Ther…

The home office released this milquetoast video about stopping illegal immigration. Watch it. It's only a minute long.[0] Gary Lineker, who presents on the BBC, responded with hysterical comment "This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the ’30s'". Tim Davie, a director at the BBC, said "If you want to be an opiniona…

Well, I certainly don't agree with Braverman's words there at all. If people are crossing the channel to apply for asylum, then I don't see how it can be determined that they are illegal. It's not possible to apply for asylum from outside of the UK, so they can only apply once they hit our shores and yet Braverman is branding them all as "illegal"? The immigration services have been completely stripped back by the Tories, so a lot of the statements are a result of their toxic-environment policy on immigration.

Honestly, the asylum issue is a right-wing dog whistle and it's not actually a big problem with the UK.

Re: BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash

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This is worrying as the BBC is supposed to be impartial and yet seems to be moving rightwards. There would seem to be a pattern of events: Richard Sharp made a loan to Boris Johnson and then was made the Chair of the BBC which has been described as "an error of judgement". More recently, there's been the criticism of Gary Lineker for calling out the Home Office's use of language (he compared it to Nazi Germany). Ther…

And don't forget the BBC's political editor exclaimed incredulously "that's quite a charge!" when a politician said that the former PM Boris Johnson has told lies in the past. BBC often prides itself of having "both sides" of an argument in a debate (as if there are only 2 sides). Not all subjects need to a counter point of view. For example, if the BBC produce a document about black holes I don't to hear from a flat…

Dara Ó Briain has a great skit on that (about a minute in, again at 4:30):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKZN-hBTBUE

Re: BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash

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This is worrying as the BBC is supposed to be impartial and yet seems to be moving rightwards. There would seem to be a pattern of events: Richard Sharp made a loan to Boris Johnson and then was made the Chair of the BBC which has been described as "an error of judgement". More recently, there's been the criticism of Gary Lineker for calling out the Home Office's use of language (he compared it to Nazi Germany). Ther…

Can you think of any ways in which the BBC moved leftwards in recent years? And is it bad for them to adjust in either direction to orient toward neutrality?

Well if we take Gary Lineker's comments, would it have been right for the BBC to move closer to their philosophy?

Re: BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash

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BBC presenters are supposed to be politically neutral, so Lineker was right to be criticised (quite apart from the fact he was talking rubbish). The ex-director general of the BBC Mark Thompson joined that hotbed of right wing activism, the New York Times. You also have ex-Labour minister James Purnell who had a senior role in the BBC. Frankly if you think the BBC is anything other than the broadcast media wing of th…

> Frankly if you think the BBC is anything other than the broadcast media wing of the Guardian you are severely deluded. The extensive airtime given to Nigel Farage on BBC Question Time (> 30 appearances) contradicts this statement.

The number is meaningless without comparison to others.

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post #27

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> Frankly if you think the BBC is anything other than the broadcast media wing of the Guardian you are severely deluded. The extensive airtime given to Nigel Farage on BBC Question Time (> 30 appearances) contradicts this statement.

Of the nine people who have appeared on Question Time most often, two might be considered right-wing: Farage and Ken Clarke. The remainder are Labour or Lib Dem MPs: Shirley Williams, Menzies Campbell, Harriet Harman, Charles Kennedy, Clare Short, Paddy Ashdown, and Roy Hattersley. Of these, Farage is the only Brexiteer; Clarke is a right-wing Remainer. Just this year, it has featured the following left-wing politici…

What's your view on this: https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/an-open-letter-to-th...

particularly: "there is a clear and well-evidenced bias toward panellists from right-leaning media organisations"

Re: BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash

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But I was told that only the left cancels things they disagree with!

Nobody cancelled anyone. How can the alleged "rightwing" viewers or commentators cancel BBC? Can they fire the directors and ensure they dont get employed? Or what are you talking about? Corrupt BBC managers decided this on their own.

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Re: BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash

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post #8

This is worrying as the BBC is supposed to be impartial and yet seems to be moving rightwards. There would seem to be a pattern of events: Richard Sharp made a loan to Boris Johnson and then was made the Chair of the BBC which has been described as "an error of judgement". More recently, there's been the criticism of Gary Lineker for calling out the Home Office's use of language (he compared it to Nazi Germany). Ther…

BBC presenters are supposed to be politically neutral, so Lineker was right to be criticised (quite apart from the fact he was talking rubbish). The ex-director general of the BBC Mark Thompson joined that hotbed of right wing activism, the New York Times. You also have ex-Labour minister James Purnell who had a senior role in the BBC. Frankly if you think the BBC is anything other than the broadcast media wing of th…

> BBC is anything other than the broadcast media wing of the Guardian

Citation needed. Is the BBC run by ex-Guardian people?

No: "the controversial appointment of Rishi Sunak’s ex-boss and Conservative Party donor Richard Sharp to the influential role of BBC chair. ... There are also concerns about the appointment of BBC director general Tim Davie, who stood as a councillor for the Conservative Party in 1993 and 1994 and was deputy chairman of the Hammersmith and Fulham Conservative Party in the 1990s."

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/an-open-letter-to-th...

So, what part of your opinion is grounded in fact?

Re: BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash

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post #13

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The Guardian article is misleading to the point of dishonesty. The episode that isn't being broadcast was not intended to be broadcast because it isn't part of the Wild Isles series. It's a companion documentary commissioned by the RSPB and the WWF. And for all the good both these charities do, the BBC should not be broadcasting programs made by what are, in effect, political lobbying organizations (and I say that as…

> The episode that isn't being broadcast was not intended to be broadcast because it isn't part of the Wild Isles series. Apart from the statement by the BBC spokesman do you have any evidence of that?

The WWF have confirmed that it is a complementary documentary. (https://twitter.com/wwf_uk/status/1634230395037204482?s=61&t...). Google shows that Wild Isles has always been referred to as being in five parts.

Re: BBC will not broadcast Attenborough episode over fear of rightwing backlash

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When I'm in a certain kind of mood, I often long for something that's a bit "slow TV", a bit "feelgood", a bit escapist, etc. I then frequently turn to a nature documentary and really enjoy the breathtaking imagery of the deep sea or Yellowstone wildlife or whatever. Then, after about 5mins, the guilttripping starts. And I'm like "...while all that may be accurate, I've had a tough day at work, and reflecting upon wh…

What if the point of a nature documentary isn't to make you feel good, but to present an accurate depiction of the state of the world?

Most nature documentaries don't leave it at that, though. They present facts, but then weave them into a narrative. I don't know why this "weaving a narrative" is something they all do. ...maybe they teach that at film school or something. Science itself has no narratives.

And at some point in the 90s, it seems to me that someone decided that the narrative for all nature documentaries was going to be: Man is destroying nature.

It's all this same weird psychology, where man loves to set up systems to keep reminding him that he's a sinner. The political right, in the U.S., gets their weekly fix in church. The political left works the message into nature documentaries instead. I wish both sides would stop evangelizing. I really kind of want to just say "No, thank you" in the same way I would say "No, thank you" to a Jehovah's witness knocking at my door.

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