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GM offers buyouts to ‘majority’ of U.S. salaried workers

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> General Motors will offer voluntary buyouts to a “majority” of its 58,000 U.S. white-collar employees, > The buyout offer comes after the Detroit automaker said last week it would terminate about 500 salaried positions globally. How does that work? The only sensible explanations I currently see is that either there's some new technology that replaces _hundreds_ of people or that... they had _hundreds_ of people tha…

Rapidly rising interest rates have hit payment sensitive car loans first (since they are shorter than housing and the collateral is harder to collect) and there was already a collapsing COVID bubble in prices due to supply chain disruptions. They likely won't sell as many cars at relatively high margins over the next few years as they were planning on so they're looking to cut costs.

> ...won't sell as many cars at relatively high margins over the next few years...

To judge by the venting of a car-buff coworker, who needs to buy a slightly-affordable car for his son, the days of lower volumes & margins on cars may be a bit further out.

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Maybe I miss the point, but why wouldn’t the ones that easily find a job (or maybe even have a next job at hand) take the payout for extra money while the ones that desperately don’t do any work or are not performing would stay? Wouldn’t this result in the wrong outcome?

I worked at a company which had a VSP in the largest location. Effectively a lot of the best people left. It doesn’t seem like a great strategy. Unfortunately it was partially done that way due to the local employment laws.

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Well, some percentage of people won't accept the buyout. It's not as if it's just free money -- it's free money for the stress and anxiety associated with being jobless. I'm sure they have a good idea of the number of people that they project will leave based on this, and they can always counteroffer if it turns out that more people than they expect will quit. The upshot to this over layoffs is that people can self-s…

i wonder if these buyouts are more or less expensive than severance packages. If you know your severance would be higher than the buyout, why would you accept? If the buyout is higher than severance, then the company is "losing" money doing the buyout isn't it? I suppose keeping good reputation/PR is worth something...

Unless there is a union agreement for severance, there is no need for a business to offer severance.

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The severance package is proportional with the length of employment at GM, which is highly correlated with the age. In this country you can't discriminate based on age, so this is a legal way to thin out the ranks of the older employees.

As an aside, in the UK and EU you also can't discriminate based on age, but that means that you can't do anything based on length of service . For example, it is illegal to place a job advert requiring "x years of experience in z" because that requires you to be a certain age.

Yeah, the US actually has "people over 40" as a protected class rather than outright banning discrimination based on age.

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I don't think people realize what a shock wave is coming for the auto industry.

1. High interest rates make cars a lot more expensive, suppressing demand.

2. The inventories on dealership lots have been rebuilt over the last 6 months, hiding a drop in consumer demand.

3. EV's take much less labor to manufacture than combustion engines. Take a look at the regularity of an EV compared to a combustion vehicle. That regularity makes robotic assembly more feasible.

4. We're hitting the first knee on the "S" curve for EV adoption. We're moving from the slow "early adopter" phase to the "mass market acceptance" phase.

5. The transition is creating a large group of hesitant buyers. Many people are unsure what their next vehicle purchase should be, so they delay the decision. They keep maintaining their current vehicle, purchase a used car as a stop gap, or keep relying on their current alternative -- bus, Uber, mooching rides off friends, whatever.

In other words, demand for combustion engines will drop faster than demand for EV's will rise.

6. The other points mean that manufacturing capacity is higher than demand, which means lower prices. Which means shrinking of already low profit margins, perhaps even into the negative.

7. And EV's won't be a panacea. Their price is dropping too. Tesla will be blamed for leading the price drops, but it's really the Chinese leading that charge. BYD has an €8200 vehicle coming soon. It's not a golf cart, it meets full Euro safety specs. BYD has a stable of European brands (Volvo, Polestar, MG and Lotus) that it can and will use to sell Chinese cars at Chinese prices without the Chinese stigma. (cf MG4).

8. Look up the "Altman Z score", and then take a look at this: https://cleantechnica.com/files/2023/03/Graph-Tony.png A score below 3 predicts upcoming bankruptcy. People complain that Tesla is over-priced, but IMO it's that the others are underpriced -- their price includes a significant bankruptcy risk. Not all of them will go bankrupt: once the survivors lose the bankruptcy risk discount, their value should go up.

9. The usual risks of large companies riding a significant technology change, coupled with significant supply chain challenges.

10. HN is highly skeptical about autonomous driving, but if it does happen it will have a significant unpredictable change on the market.

11. The uncertainty of the Inflation Reduction Act. Manufacturers are betting heavily on the subsidies in the IRA, but the chances of a rug pull in 2024 are high. OTOH, those not betting on the subsidies will lose heavily if the rug isn't pulled.

12. 80% of Lithium refining is done in China, and the odds of a trade war with China seem high.

13. Many legacy manufacturers make a surprising proportion of their volume and profit selling into China. That seems highly vulnerable.

I'm sure I'm wrong about some of those points, but even just a few could be devastating.

Re: GM offers buyouts to ‘majority’ of U.S. salaried workers

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Maybe I miss the point, but why wouldn’t the ones that easily find a job (or maybe even have a next job at hand) take the payout for extra money while the ones that desperately don’t do any work or are not performing would stay? Wouldn’t this result in the wrong outcome?

You're not missing the point, though maybe it won't go as badly for a older company like GM. I got to witness this failed strategy first hand at AOL around 2010. The people who opted into the VSP were the ones who could easily find another job, and were happy to take the money. Some of them even came right back in a consulting role after a 2 month cooling off period. The people who never even considered the offer wer…

If your are a year from retirement that’s about the only reason

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Maybe I miss the point, but why wouldn’t the ones that easily find a job (or maybe even have a next job at hand) take the payout for extra money while the ones that desperately don’t do any work or are not performing would stay? Wouldn’t this result in the wrong outcome?

Is there a way to easily target layoffs at under performers? I've never seen layoffs done well. The selection has always seemed somewhat arbitrary, and not through want of trying.

It should be simple just offer more to employees who score the lowest in the stacked ranking

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> U.S. employees who are approved for the buyout will be granted one-month pay for every year they worked up to 12 months, as well as COBRA health coverage. They also will receive prorated team performance bonuses and outplacement services. Global employees will receive base salary, incentives, COBRA and outplacement services

What does base salary mean in this context?

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> General Motors will offer voluntary buyouts to a “majority” of its 58,000 U.S. white-collar employees, > The buyout offer comes after the Detroit automaker said last week it would terminate about 500 salaried positions globally. How does that work? The only sensible explanations I currently see is that either there's some new technology that replaces _hundreds_ of people or that... they had _hundreds_ of people tha…

It’s not necessary for someone to be “[not] doing anything useful”, but a much lower standard of “not doing enough to useful to be worth paying them what we pay them”.

If you have hundreds of people creating $50K/yr of value and you’re paying them $80K/yr, you’re losing money even though they’re all doing something useful.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a way to easily target layoffs at under performers? I've never seen layoffs done well. The selection has always seemed somewhat arbitrary, and not through want of trying.

It should be simple just offer more to employees who score the lowest in the stacked ranking

That sounds like a recipe to get everybody performing worse.
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