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Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by bardan » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 1:01 PM UTC

Fatnino wrote: post #33

salmonellaeater wrote: post #31

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

So everyone needs to explicitly block cheese pizza for themselves just so a few perverts can share that stuff in the name of "free speech"?

How about you initially "trust" all of your friends. If one friend blacklists a bad actor, all their friends automatically blacklist them as well. If it turns out the friend blacklisted an innocent person out of spite or something, word should eventually get around and people can manually revoke trust from that friend.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by frodetb » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 1:03 PM UTC

lmpdev wrote: post #43

jazzyjackson wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, everyone needs to explicitly "choose some list of moderators whose decisions you trust, and subscribe to their block lists"

That still implies either: A) Cheese pizza is permitted B) There are a "floor" of rules

"Permitted" is a strong word for activity enabled by a protocol. It implies some moral acceptance from the ones who designed the tool. I think a better word would be "possible". Similar to how e-mail makes it possible to send all kinds of content.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by traviswt » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 1:05 PM UTC

lmpdev wrote: post #43

jazzyjackson wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, everyone needs to explicitly "choose some list of moderators whose decisions you trust, and subscribe to their block lists"

That still implies either: A) Cheese pizza is permitted B) There are a "floor" of rules

This is why free speech is so hard to maintain. There are so many cases where you want to ban or censor something obviously repugnant, but once the power is created to do so, it will be abused, probably as soon as someone you don't like is now in charge.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by Quindecillion » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 1:05 PM UTC

nunobrito wrote: post #46

Curious that the article speaks plenty about Dorsey and ommits the fact that he has been very active on the Nostr platform. Nostr is so far the only platform where I see a decentralized future. Mastodon does not provide portable identities that you can easily move to other servers, nor helps you to preserve your post from previous years. Nostr solved both obstacles. One private key, zero email addresses needed. Move…

I did a quick ctrl+f 'nostr' on the article and when no results came up I closed the browser tab.

They obviously haven't done their research.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by Quindecillion » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 1:06 PM UTC

1270018080 wrote: post #9

"Decentralized" has become a red flag term for businesses. It's been corrupted by crypto scams. There needs to be a new word.

Permissionless

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by A_D_E_P_T » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 1:08 PM UTC

For what it's worth, Urbit is this sort of thing. At least right now, and in a de facto way, for it has untapped functionality that might soon enable a wide variety of additional use cases. The barriers to entry are now pretty low, as anybody can sign up via tlon.network

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by Clubber » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 1:09 PM UTC

1270018080 wrote: post #9

"Decentralized" has become a red flag term for businesses. It's been corrupted by crypto scams. There needs to be a new word.

Pier to pier is what we always called it, or shortly, P2P. It's how the internet was designed. Now, all piers are equal, but some piers are more equal than others.

On a side note, the Napster model was almost perfect, its downfall was centralized indexing. I wonder if a blockchain could be used for distributed indexing using the same P2P communication model of Napster.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by pelorat » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 1:12 PM UTC

So IRC?

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by gonzo41 » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 1:12 PM UTC

salmonellaeater wrote: post #31

> Individual servers would let different groups set their own community standards, though likely with a “floor” of rules set by Meta, in a fashion similar to how Reddit’s individual communities work. This is not praise. Reddit bans people for expressing widely held beliefs. Subreddit mods are required to enforce the site-wide rules regardless of the subreddit's own preferences. As another commenter put it [1], the pr…

You see mods on reddit go on ego trip ban spree's all the time. It's classic 90's mod meltdown stuff. I don't think subscribing to a benevolent master is a good model. What happens if their gaze turns to you?

Moderation is really hard. And it's especially hard because a lot of people have very para-social relationships between themselves and rando's they talk to online.

Whilst I know that sometimes those rando's turn into real friends in the real world. For the most part people are strangers, and the better form of moderation is getting off social media for a while.

If meta wanted to do something amazing. It'd enforce one reality tunnel on the networks. Rather than have a base set of rules. Have a base set of news and facts that everyone shares in. Bubbles are generally bad. And everything goes to shit, even on HN, when we start getting into politics.

Re: Meta is building a decentralized, text-based social network

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Post by snakeboy » Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 1:14 PM UTC

joenot443 wrote: post #57

papito wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because over 10 million Americans believe that Tom Hanks violates, kills, and eats children - a widely held belief - does not mean that a private company can't tell those people to go suck a bug. A private company does moderation and it's the end of the world. Ron DeSantis bans books and he is just "anti-woke". The actual government.

It’s a bit amusing that your comment is making fun of Americans for widely holding an untrue belief, and then you conveniently make an example of yourself doing the exact same thing. I usually find it’s about three comments deep that Americans find a way to start taking potshots at the other team whenever the concepts of “censorship” or “freedoms” arise. Canadians and Europeans are usually able to discuss these thing…

I fail to see any value in trying to compare hugely diverse populations of hundreds of millions of people against each other and their ability to discuss nuanced political topics. It feels like you're just hashing out some intuitions based on what's come across your twitter feed or something? It's your prerogative to do so, but don't convince yourself it's a meaningful insight.

"whatever is on the American mind these days" lol.