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Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by selimthegrim »

yurishimo wrote: post #91
dijit wrote: post #11

While everyone has their preferences I find myself hating the office a lot less than I used to these days. (and I was very vocal about hating the office pre-covid[0]) However, some things of note: 1) My "Office" (not home) is not an "Open Office", it's a place where I can reasonably sit in peace and have control of my surroundings (this is something not afforded to most people in offices, and something that work from…

Honestly, I feel very similarly, but I have an external factor as well. Last year I moved to The Netherlands from Dallas, TX, USA. My entire world has totally changed. Part of that move was a new job for a company local to my area. Before I moved, I worked remotely in the US for about 6 years. Well before the pandemic, etc etc. My favorite part of my job being a remote worker was getting together with people once or…

How do you like your living situation and the tax advantages?

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by Felminor »

dijit wrote: post #11

While everyone has their preferences I find myself hating the office a lot less than I used to these days. (and I was very vocal about hating the office pre-covid[0]) However, some things of note: 1) My "Office" (not home) is not an "Open Office", it's a place where I can reasonably sit in peace and have control of my surroundings (this is something not afforded to most people in offices, and something that work from…

You clearly/ obviously gained a better office.

It's super close and it's less populated now.

Of course I would like your setup.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by johnbellone »

vjk800 wrote: post #65
prmoustache wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can walk to a train station in 5 minutes, then socialized with your train friends for half an hour to 45 minutes or read a book. Or if you commute by walking, cycling and running and it is considered your daily physical activity, it is fine. If you spend your time running to a bus stop, not being able to do anything in the bus because it is crowded and bouncy, then have to catch a train, that is also full then…

Who the hell has train friends?

I get it. When I lived in a metro area on a regular commute I would often see the same people at the same time every day for years.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by sshine »

LastNevadan wrote: post #90
prmoustache wrote: post #29

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It is more for the commuting in and out of school that it helps. My kids could walk back from school but primary school do not allows them to get out without me. This is kind of stupid as I would sign a waiver if they wanted it but they won't. So until they both reach what you call high school in the USA I have to go to the primary school and back every day. The most funny thing is sometimes I go there by bicycle, le…

Wow, the world has changed! I remember walking home from school by myself when I was in kindergarten.

Yeah, as kids we just roamed.

My parents put me on a cross-country train (4 hour trip) to see my grandparents every summer since I was 8. When I was 9 I had to figure out how to switch trains halfway because the direct route discontinued.

This was before mobile phones.

I’m only 37.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by johnbellone »

andersa wrote: post #17
Gordonjcp wrote: post #16

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I never understood why people think time spent travelling is "lost".

Because it is? It's time you can't spend on your hobbies. Of course, if repeatedly driving the same route every day is one of those, then go ahead.

When I was a younger human, riding my motorcycle into the office every day was an amazing hobby. I loved it and would absolutely go back to that daily habit if it works for me.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by johnbellone »

t43562 wrote: post #116
SyrupThinker wrote: post #27

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To be fair the grandparent post did not elaborate, but not everyone is locked into doing nothing during their commute. People using public transport might be able to do all sorts of things like reading or creative work. That’s of course hard if you need to drive yourself. But if you are able to make good use of that time one could consider it not lost. Maybe commute should be clocked in for jobs that don’t rely on ph…

You often cannot do anything on the commute because you have walk, train, walk, bus, walk and no period is long enough to get anything useful done.

I average about 20-25 audiobooks a year. Commute time was some prime listening.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by selimthegrim »

dustedcodes wrote: post #94
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #83

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>Being able to look after your offspring is great! This is a big no and main reason why I am against WFH. Here in Finland we have ample maternity leave and pretty good paternity leave as well, so why in the fuck are we allowing these new fathers to "work" from home while looking after the kid? The mother has maternity leave precisely so she can take care of the kid(s), she should be doing it for the 8 hours you are w…

> cheap & healthy food prepared by someone else For me it's the opposite. Food outside of home means it's low quality food in comparison to the fresh organic produce which we buy locally and my wife and myself have had freshly cooked food all our lives so we really value fresh home made delicious food rather than having a burger or some other rubbish outside. - good coffee prepared by someone else / machine Again, th…

A hoodie/jumper?

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by arrowsmith »

zmmmmm wrote: post #70
FooBarWidget wrote: post #15

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Some people don't have a home office, or even a basic desk + chair setup that's suitable for long hours of computer work. A colleague of mine prefers going to the office because at home he's constantly distracted by kids. Another has literally injured himself due working from his kitchen in a bad position for a year. It's worse than RSI. He had to rehabilitate for half a year just to get back to 95% health, and even…

> my experience is that most people don't have the discipline or will to do this This widely believed anecdotally driven piece of opinion-data was what COVID invalidated. Studies demonstrated no significant loss in productivity and in many cases increased productivity during WFH during covid - putting aside contexts where it was clearly unsuitable / suboptimal (people trapped in their houses with small kids, no appro…

Perhaps the real lesson is that most people at most companies were vastly unproductive at the office to begin with, so working from home didn't risk losing very much.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by devnullbrain »

citrin_ru wrote: post #39
dt3ft wrote: post #2

Why would I commute (and in doing so lose 2 hours of my time per day)? Focusing in the office is next to impossible, the equipment is sub-par (I have a 3-monitor setup at home)? What is it about software engineering that requires physical presence? Currently we meet once a week in the office and I get almost no work done that day, and I’m not the only one.

I personally would prefer to working remotely (at least 4 days a week) unless my commute is less than 15-20 minutes but executives put significant value in seeing people working from the office. If they'll decide to save (offices are not cheap) and hire a remote developer what would stop from hiring around the world? Developer salaries in developed countries (and especially the US) are much higher than world average.…

If my high salary depends on artificial barriers to workers in poorer countries, it's not sustainable anyway.

Re: Nearly 40% of software engineers will only work remotely

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Post by mschuster91 »

prmoustache wrote: post #135
mschuster91 wrote: post #101

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The inevitable result of three things: 1. an absurdly car-friendly society that prioritizes cars well above everyone else - basically, parents have to pick up their children in cars because there is no reasonable pedestrian infrastructure to allow them a safe walking home. 2. a truckload of busybodies ("Karens") that call CPS on children wandering alone - Utah had to pass a law in 2018 [1] to cut down on that crap an…

In my case this is in europe and most people don't even bring their kids by cars because there is almost nowhere to park and because kids are zoned and are expected to go to the nearest public school which is usually in the same neighborhood. I guess it is just liability. Child abduction is not a problem we are talking a lot in my area, maybe it has been in the past, I don't know I am an expat.

> I guess it is just liability. Child abduction is not a problem we are talking a lot in my area, maybe it has been in the past, I don't know I am an expat.

Here in Europe we do have the advantage that we don't share the same language, meaning that a child being abducted in Portugal or an immigrant raping a woman in Germany doesn't make headlines in Eastern Poland.

In contrast, in the US even small scale regional everyday crimes (not belittling rape here, just noting the fact that sexual crime is a regular occurrence!) can make national outrage.

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