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The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by Gigachad »

freeplay wrote: post #115

Widevine has been privately cracked/bypassed. The method hasn't been made public as it would obviously get patched rather quickly (if it even can be patched). That's why Netflix content is available almost immediately on any decent tracker. The quality would not look nearly as good if it was grabbed using a capture card. Like others have mentioned, it's security theater for the content owners who most likely require…

This is why audio and video drm is so useless. All the cracking teams have their own methods which they don’t need to publish. Unlike video game drm where the cracks have to be published with the game.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by Havoc »

Many judge success on this by "do i get 1080". I've found this to be incredibly deceptive for nix and DRM on netflix.

My experience has been that even managing 1080 on a nix platform the experienced quality is substantially worse. Thoughout I was going insane, but checked bitrate and sure enough netflix at 1080 was streaming at much lower rate than on windows 1080.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

depressedpanda wrote: post #118
heleninboodler wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they do this if they've already gone to the trouble to solve the problem for content they don't own? Just to show off by taking on unnecessary risk? The fact that they didn't build this infra specifically to protect their own content doesn't mean they wouldn't enjoy the benefit of the extra protection anyway.

The point is, the extra "protection" is worthless.

Not worthless, actively harmful to the user experience, and therefore actively harmful to the bottom line.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

Longhanks wrote: post #114
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix doesn’t do it because they want to. They do it because it’s part of the licensing agreements they sign to get content.

Of course they want to. Who doesn’t want to protect his or her intellectual property? There are probably millions of people subscribed to Netflix merely because pirating Netflix content is inconvenient enough to make people rather pay. How many would reconsider this if the user experience of pirating was exactly as convenient as a paid Netflix account? Most probably enough so that enacting DRM is the smaller price to…

> There are probably millions of people subscribed to Netflix merely because pirating Netflix content is inconvenient enough to make people rather pay. How many would reconsider this if the user experience of pirating was exactly as convenient as a paid Netflix account?

The people extracting the content are people who do subscribe. The user experience of the people who pirate instead of subscribing is completely unaffected by DRM because the DRM is removed by the time it gets to them.

All the DRM does is make the experience of piracy better than that of subscribing, by inconveniencing paying customers and not pirates.

Notice that the people complaining about DRM are almost never pirates, who have cracked it all already. They're people who want to pay Netflix money so they can watch Netflix on their weird Linux setup or whatever instead of just downloading whatever they want in the Netflix catalog from the piracy sites, which would be much easier.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by phh »

stefan_ wrote: post #72
admax88qqq wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Full stack protection from decoder the screen is coming. IIRC you can only play 4k Netflix on a smart TV which controls the entire stack from network to pixels

You know we had that, they called it HDCP. It continues to frustrate users of beamers and what not today, despite the root key being leaked for many years now. Even before the key leak, it never did anything to stop shows appearing as torrents on day one. It will never work, if pirates have to replace the TV panel with an FPGA, they will happily do so.

Nit, but I think HDCP 2 is still cryptographically secure? No leakage, no known crypto flaws on HDCP 2.3 if i remember correctly.

That being said, It's still utterly broken because you can buy HDCP 2 disabler from Amazon for 20 €

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by bandrami »

shp0ngle wrote: post #103
gray_-_wolf wrote: post #48

> The only officially supported way to use Widevine on Linux is using Chrome on an x86_64 CPU. To be precise it is "The only officially supported way to use Widevine on Linux is using Chrome on an x86_64 CPU using glibc." In other words, even though I have x86_64 cpu, since I'm on alpine, I'm fucked anyway.

If you are using alpine as a desktop distro, don’t you have bigger problems than Netflix not playing? (also how are you even using alpine for desktop. I tried to look it up once and gave up soon)

Things have improved. Both alpine and void-musl are usable desktops nowadays; my DAW is on the latter.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by bionade24 »

mattl wrote: post #95
tarotuser wrote: post #26

For some reason, my Jellyfin and Navidrome instances doesn't use Widevine (garbageware) in any way. Radarr, Lidarr, Sonarr, and the other Arrs work beautifully to control what media I want, get it, and store it appropriately. And the files I download from Usenet and Torrents work on any platform powerful enough to play them. I was treated like a criminal when legitimately buying media years ago. Already learned https…

> I was treated like a criminal when legitimately buying media years ago. What happened?

> What happened?

Isn't that obvious? Circumventing the copy protection of your own property is a crime.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by coldtea »

rfoo wrote: post #93
coldtea wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What prevents you from ALSO having glibc?

When people say glibc, they really mean ld.so + libc.so + libm.so + nss + ... And no, glibc really only work with its own dynamic loader (ld.so), and it has to be with same version.

Again, what prevents you from ALSO having all those? You just need to point to them and run some programs that require them with those...

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by phh »

admax88qqq wrote: post #69
reisse wrote: post #63

The mere existence of Widevine is a mystery for me. How sensible for Netflix is to invest into DRM at all? It's not a gamedev situation, where DRM lasts long enough to make impact on initial sales. Pirated Netflix shows appear on the torrents same day, and unless they have full-stack protection from the decoder to the screen, not much can be done. They seem to make user experience worse for nothing.

Full stack protection from decoder the screen is coming. IIRC you can only play 4k Netflix on a smart TV which controls the entire stack from network to pixels

> IIRC you can only play 4k Netflix on a smart TV which controls the entire stack from network to pixels

Netflix won't allow TV makers to make their own Netflix app, they must use Netflix proprietary code as-is, and it's Netflix code that download chunks and forwards them to playback, while TV handles the secure video decoding, so TV can't "control the entire stack"

Also, tv boxes are allowed to playback 4k Netflix just fine without controlling the screen.

All the Netflix shows you can download on the internet do include the 4k versions.

Maybe they'll obsolete older 4k devices that are deemed less protected (though I could probably point them "a few" security flaws to Netflix-endorsed 4k devices so that every is on par), but I doubt it. I don't think anyone ever done that (720p has always been fine without HDCP, 1080p with only HDCP1, before that macrovision was non-breaking) [1], and I doubt Netflix would want to push that badly towards e-waste.

[1] There has been few cases of some devices being revoked, like Nexus 6, but it was usually long after their shelf life anyway

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by favorited »

> Addendum: The EME API is a good thing! (kinda)

Hard agree. There was so much nerdrage when the EME was being considered for standardization, as if by not standardizing an API we'd be preventing DRM from existing. People acted like Tim Berners-Lee was stabbing the collective internet in the back when he endorsed it.

The choice was between a standardized web-based DRM, or a wild west of incompatible proprietary DRM. Personally, I'm glad I don't need Silverlight to watch Netflix anymore.

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