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Re: Ask HN: Are a lot of books just useless?

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Yes, most books are useless. > What tools/metrics are there to help find meaningful books? Okay, first I never read a book that is less than 10 years old. Why? Because 10 years is roughly the time needed for a book to withstand the wheel of time. 100 years, as noted in other comments as well, is even better. If old books are still read, they are probably good books. But I cannot tell you the best books of last year.…

How do you know if you're willing to read a book multiple times before, you know, getting acquainted with it by reading it? Do you have a 100% accurate method to ensure you never ever start reading something not-awesome?

Most of my life, I've been a completionist and would power through any book I started reading. Same for tv series, etc.

But then I found that forgiving myself for quitting had some really good consequences and few bad ones. So if a book/show isn't cutting it, I am mindful of the sunk costs fallacy and get onto something better. I've been happier.

Re: Ask HN: Are a lot of books just useless?

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A surprising number of non-fiction books these days are unbearable to read since I find the authors often use them as a thinly disguised autobiography masquerading as a book about a specific topic. I recently read an astrophysics book that I was excited to read based on the actual astrophysics topic, but it really was a book about the author's adventures and struggles through grad school and postgrad doing research i…

> A surprising number of non-fiction books these days are unbearable to read since I find the authors often use them as a thinly disguised autobiography masquerading as a book about a specific topic.

I encountered this phenomenon recently with "Wired for Love" by neuroscientist Stephanie Cacioppo.

Re: Ask HN: Are a lot of books just useless?

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You have just encountered Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crap.

Is every podcast full of value, with no fluff? Is every music album? Is every video? No. Why should books be any different?

There are book that are astounding things packed full of revelations. There are books that are the equivalent of a YouTube video that pads a 3s answer to the question posed by its title out to 10min because that's where you start getting better monetization.

There are also books that mostly exist to entertain you with a story. Some of these are great, full of compelling characters and cool ideas. Some of them are not. Some of them have high ambitions of saying something deep about life via a parable. Some of them just want to give you a fun time. Some succeed at whichever of those aims they have. Some don't.

There are books that are introductions to their field. There are books that are aimed exclusively at experts in them. This includes works of fiction - it's a fabulous experience to read a story you're well-versed in, by an author who expects that none of the basic concepts have to be explained to you, and just goes full speed ahead into their crazy takes on them.

Some subjects are honestly not that deep and everything that needs to be said about them can be done in a few chapters. And yet people keep on writing books about the same thing, saying the same ideas in slightly different ways, with a handful of anecdotes showing the ideas in action and other ways to pad it out into something worth paying the basic cost for putting the text through whatever physical or electronic supply chain ends with it in your hands, with a profit for everyone in that supply chain. Sometimes one of these books actually has a new take on the subject. Usually it doesn't.

Find reviewers you trust. If a friend recommends something, check it out; if you think it's garbage after reading it then now you have something to talk about your friend with. Be polite in your takedown of it unless you have shared books with this friend and argued about them a lot in the past. If an author you like recommends something, check it out. Bookstores can provide a curated experience of physical books that you can write snarky comments in the margins of; some bookstores specialize in certain topics, some don't; many will have cards here and there on the shelves with recommendations from the staff. And take chances. If you see a book recommended several times in different context, check it out. If you stumble upon something in the store that looks exciting, grab it. Especially if it's used and cheap. If you find a burning need for that expensive small-press scholarly work on the various jackal divinities of ancient Egypt[1] arises in you the moment you learn of its existence then get it. Especially if most of its absurd price appears in your life while you're still dithering about it. Find communities where people ask for pirated copies of obscure books - sometimes one sounds cool enough to buy for yourself.

Usually a good rule of thumb for fiction is to give it to about page 100. You can quit earlier if you really hate it, life's too short to read bad books, but if a story hasn't grabbed you by that point it never will. Especially beware of any multi-book series where its fans tell you it gets good around book 3-5.

Avoid bestsellers. Except when you don't.

You can always put a book down. Maybe you'll come back to it. Maybe you never will. Maybe you'll put it down so hard that it bounces off the wall and into the trash can. Books are not sacred, books are not all amazing.

1: https://www.darengo.co.uk/product/jackal-divinities-1/ - it's OOP now and I'm definitely glad to have this artifact on my shelves

Re: Ask HN: Are a lot of books just useless?

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I have learned to stay away from popular science and nonfiction writing. Almost every single such book could be less than 50 pages, but they are artificially extended. There are a few good ones, but they are rare and require great humility and honesty from the author. I enjoy finding special nonfiction books that present the essence of a subject in an expedient way, but these are hard to find and they require a great…

the trick is to find the good ones. i highly recommend mary roach (current) and lewis thomas (old) for excellent popular science writing.

Aside from individual instances of good popular science writing, my favorite series is the Scientific American Library series. It's probably the best collection of popular but real science writing.

https://www.thriftbooks.com/series/scientific-american-libra...

Re: Ask HN: Are a lot of books just useless?

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I think you are focusing too much on the negative side of a book you find useless. There is another framing that is more useful and helps to suggest answers to your other questions. One way to think of it to kind of get an intuition for why things tend to be long is to imagine you are going to have someone be your personal trainer for a month. However, they must interview for the job. One interview question you could ask is do ten push ups. That is like writing a short book. The other is run a marathon. That is like writing a long book. What sort of implications come from that? You start getting a lot of filtering criteria and you start to realize that the requested length actually makes the filtering of fit from non-fit much easier. Even better, in cases where you get it wrong, the mere fact that they had to put in enough effort to fake worthiness as the fitness coach required a level of fitness that made them a little more qualified for the task then they otherwise would have been.

Re: Ask HN: Are a lot of books just useless?

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It depends very much what you're trying to read. Start with the 90 day Harvard classics https://www.myharvardclassics.com/categories/20120622 And also check out Penguins Great Idea series https://www.penguin.co.uk/series/PEN02/penguin-great-ideas If a book was read 100 years ago and is still being read today then it's worth a read. Most books written a few hundred years ago are just as relevant (if not more so) today…

On the other hand, many books from the past are dreadful with respect to readability, pacing, period context stuff and more... Generally the evolution the feedback loop between readers, writers and editors has generated over the last 100 years.

Most books from the past were dreadful but there are a couple selection mechanisms at play. For one, we only promote the best ones. The further back it goes the more picky we get. Second, it was a lot harder to publish in the past, so those who did it had more reason to.

Re: Ask HN: Are a lot of books just useless?

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Yes, most books are useless. > What tools/metrics are there to help find meaningful books? Okay, first I never read a book that is less than 10 years old. Why? Because 10 years is roughly the time needed for a book to withstand the wheel of time. 100 years, as noted in other comments as well, is even better. If old books are still read, they are probably good books. But I cannot tell you the best books of last year.…

How do you know if you're willing to read a book multiple times before, you know, getting acquainted with it by reading it? Do you have a 100% accurate method to ensure you never ever start reading something not-awesome?

I think there is only one 100% accurate method to ensure you never start reading a non-awesome book, and that's by never read any book at all.

Instead, admit quickly that you made a mistake and stop reading a book if it turns out to be not-awesome after a couple of pages.

Re: Ask HN: Are a lot of books just useless?

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Books are a medium that has been elevated by pseudo-intellectualism into a divinity of sorts. They're as good as what's written in them and like most human output, most are garbage. Why should it be any different? Is most of TV that good? Most magazines? Most TikTok? Most music? Conversation? What are you trying to read and why? From your description it sounds like you're reading to learn, which is fine but likely su…

Every medium has creation and consumption costs, and it affects their average quality. Books have a high creation cost: both in time and money, relative to electronic mediums. They also have a high consumption cost, as you cant read a book in a few seconds like you can watch shortform content. These factors select for quality.

You could say the same for TV or film and most of it is still garbage.
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