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what does this have to do with the eu? The bad proposals I've seen have all been shut down, and instead good laws like gdpr and net neutrality have been enacted eu-wide.
WhatsApp would not remove end-to-end encryption for UK law, says chief
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Re: WhatsApp would not remove end-to-end encryption for UK law, says chief
#122I was wondering why can't chat apps be like email apps: i.e., let users point to a private key on their own phone, and publish their public key. Then, just like exchanging secure emails, people transparently chat using the same encrypt-decrypt mechanism? Won't this work?
That's essentially what we had with Jabber/XMPP [0] and OTR [1]. Since the encryption happened client-side, it would also work across networks. There was a time when Google chat, Facebook Messenger and other high profile chat networks could all interconnect through it. [0] https://xmpp.org/ [1] https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/OTR Edit: typo
Now, years after shuttering their XMPP service, Google is complaining about Apple not following "messaging standards" (aka the piece of shit messaging protocol RCS).
Shouldn't have worn that petard if you didn't want to be hoisted by it.
Re: WhatsApp would not remove end-to-end encryption for UK law, says chief
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting. I live in Texas and I've used it like... once, many years ago (haven't had it installed on my last two phones). Defaults for me and mine are SMS (iMessage when available), Discord, and then I've got a couple people on Signal
I try to avoid iMessage because when I'm abroad I never know if it's going to fallback on SMS and I'll have to pay for a text
That shows as soon as you see the field though. So pretty easy to see if it will deliver as SMS.
Re: WhatsApp would not remove end-to-end encryption for UK law, says chief
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's essentially what we had with Jabber/XMPP [0] and OTR [1]. Since the encryption happened client-side, it would also work across networks. There was a time when Google chat, Facebook Messenger and other high profile chat networks could all interconnect through it. [0] https://xmpp.org/ [1] https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/OTR Edit: typo
Now, years after shuttering their XMPP service, Google is complaining about Apple not following "messaging standards" (aka the piece of shit messaging protocol RCS). Shouldn't have worn that petard if you didn't want to be hoisted by it.
> Shouldn't have worn that petard if you didn't want to be hoisted by it.
A petard is a bomb, not a piece of clothing.
Re: WhatsApp would not remove end-to-end encryption for UK law, says chief
#125This could be very good for Meta, just get the government to never exercise the law on you and to do it instead on smaller competitors that may threaten you. Now everyone wanting to make a communications app (or anything implementing that functionality) is risking an expensive lawsuit on the UK. Meta too, but they have the bucks and influence to weather it.
Just block the UK and make everyone use a VPN this is already the case with age verification for adult content.
VPN wouldn't work. Whatsapp is tied to a mobile number so they would just blacklist all +44 numbers. No matter where you are, even if your an expat, it won't work....
Re: WhatsApp would not remove end-to-end encryption for UK law, says chief
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
That last bit is exactly right. The UK has proposed all sorts of plainly moronic online restrictions, which never actually get implemented. They simply don't have the clout to push around enormous American companies. It's a tiny country. If the EU or US were proposing such a law, you should take it seriously, but this is just a joke.
It's a country with 20% of the population of the USA. That's not exactly a tiny country. > If the EU or US were proposing such a law, you should take it seriously Judging from a few quick searches, there are more Facebook employees in the UK than in Ireland which is their main base of EU operations. They also have a presence in Switzerland (also not EU). FB apparently have some employees in Germany to comply with loc…
97% of WhatsApp are outside the UK.
They would drop the UK in a heartbeat.
They also know this happening would topple the government in the UK.
So it will never occur if they threaten it.
Re: WhatsApp would not remove end-to-end encryption for UK law, says chief
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Now, years after shuttering their XMPP service, Google is complaining about Apple not following "messaging standards" (aka the piece of shit messaging protocol RCS). Shouldn't have worn that petard if you didn't want to be hoisted by it.
> Shouldn't have worn that petard if you didn't want to be hoisted by it. A petard is a bomb, not a piece of clothing.
A reference to this community quote:
> Britta: Shouldn't have worn that petard if you didn't want to be hoisted by it.
> Jeff: ...What do you think the expression "hoisted by your own petard" is referencing?
> Britta: I guess I just assumed that in the old days a petard was a special outfit like a leotard, with a lot of fancy buckles and loops on it, and that rich people would wear them when they were feeling especially smug, but then poor people would tie a rope through one of the loops, and hoist them up a pole and then let them dangle there as punishment for being cocky.
> Jeff: Never look it up. Your explanation is way better.
https://www.reddit.com/r/community/comments/7vs6ec/brittas_m...
You seem to be referring to the more normal use of it
Re: WhatsApp would not remove end-to-end encryption for UK law, says chief
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a country with 20% of the population of the USA. That's not exactly a tiny country. > If the EU or US were proposing such a law, you should take it seriously Judging from a few quick searches, there are more Facebook employees in the UK than in Ireland which is their main base of EU operations. They also have a presence in Switzerland (also not EU). FB apparently have some employees in Germany to comply with loc…
97% of WhatsApp are outside the UK. They would drop the UK in a heartbeat. They also know this happening would topple the government in the UK. So it will never occur if they threaten it.
But a lot of people outside UK talk with people inside UK. A ban would touch a lot more people than 3%.
Re: WhatsApp would not remove end-to-end encryption for UK law, says chief
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Now, years after shuttering their XMPP service, Google is complaining about Apple not following "messaging standards" (aka the piece of shit messaging protocol RCS). Shouldn't have worn that petard if you didn't want to be hoisted by it.
> Shouldn't have worn that petard if you didn't want to be hoisted by it. A petard is a bomb, not a piece of clothing.
Being hoisted by your petard is a well-known phrase from Hamlet by William Shakespeare, indicating an ironic reversal, or poetic justice. [1] Yet, it is somewhat of an ironic reversal [2] for you to write that the saying isn't apt.
The literal meaning of the phrase is that when your own bomb's explosion blows you backwards that leads to the derivative understanding of having experienced an ironic reversal or poetic justice in whatever situation is being experienced.
In todays world we now have the culturally apropos Petard Clothes for custom hoisting. [3] So, we actually have a double entendre [4] that should tell us all not to get hoisted by our own petards when telling HN posters not to wear their bombs.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard
[2] http://changingminds.org/explanations/theories/ironic_revers...
Re: WhatsApp would not remove end-to-end encryption for UK law, says chief
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a country with 20% of the population of the USA. That's not exactly a tiny country. > If the EU or US were proposing such a law, you should take it seriously Judging from a few quick searches, there are more Facebook employees in the UK than in Ireland which is their main base of EU operations. They also have a presence in Switzerland (also not EU). FB apparently have some employees in Germany to comply with loc…
97% of WhatsApp are outside the UK. They would drop the UK in a heartbeat. They also know this happening would topple the government in the UK. So it will never occur if they threaten it.
May I ask where did you got 97%?