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The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by babypuncher »

dublinben wrote: post #45
mardifoufs wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eehhh at the end of the day, L1 is still almost impossible to bypass and hasn't been broken in years. So it still works, meaning it doesn't really matter even if it's security by obscurity (I dont think it qualifies for the term but anyways).

Circumventing higher levels of Widevine has been unnecessary until now, since the HDCP protecting the inevitable HDMI video output has been thoroughly cracked. Pristine 1080p and 4k copies of Netflix content is widely available.

Capturing video via HDMI is less than optimal, since you then have to encode a 2nd generation lossy copy. Ideally, you want to decrypt the original audio and video streams before they've been decoded and sent to the display.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by gpm »

stefan_ wrote: post #72
admax88qqq wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Full stack protection from decoder the screen is coming. IIRC you can only play 4k Netflix on a smart TV which controls the entire stack from network to pixels

You know we had that, they called it HDCP. It continues to frustrate users of beamers and what not today, despite the root key being leaked for many years now. Even before the key leak, it never did anything to stop shows appearing as torrents on day one. It will never work, if pirates have to replace the TV panel with an FPGA, they will happily do so.

> It will never work, if pirates have to replace the TV panel with an FPGA, they will happily do so.

Evidence does appear to point to you being right, but I really wonder just who is going to these lengths to pirate things for other people?

A significant investment of time and money, from highly a highly skilled individual, for... bragging rights? Is there some financial motive I'm unaware of?

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by alfalfasprout »

goosedragons wrote: post #68
reisse wrote: post #63

The mere existence of Widevine is a mystery for me. How sensible for Netflix is to invest into DRM at all? It's not a gamedev situation, where DRM lasts long enough to make impact on initial sales. Pirated Netflix shows appear on the torrents same day, and unless they have full-stack protection from the decoder to the screen, not much can be done. They seem to make user experience worse for nothing.

I'm sure it's probably a requirement from all the 3rd party media companies. They didn't seem to like VPNs either. But I also wouldn't be surprised if Netflix wants it to keep high quality versions at least off pirate sites.

4k rips land on usenet super quickly though and they're excellent quality. HDCP is already easily bypassed at this point.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

#84

Post by lib-dev »

gpm wrote: post #82
stefan_ wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know we had that, they called it HDCP. It continues to frustrate users of beamers and what not today, despite the root key being leaked for many years now. Even before the key leak, it never did anything to stop shows appearing as torrents on day one. It will never work, if pirates have to replace the TV panel with an FPGA, they will happily do so.

> It will never work, if pirates have to replace the TV panel with an FPGA, they will happily do so. Evidence does appear to point to you being right, but I really wonder just who is going to these lengths to pirate things for other people? A significant investment of time and money, from highly a highly skilled individual, for... bragging rights? Is there some financial motive I'm unaware of?

Fun technical challenge that many people will be grateful for.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by coldtea »

gray_-_wolf wrote: post #48

> The only officially supported way to use Widevine on Linux is using Chrome on an x86_64 CPU. To be precise it is "The only officially supported way to use Widevine on Linux is using Chrome on an x86_64 CPU using glibc." In other words, even though I have x86_64 cpu, since I'm on alpine, I'm fucked anyway.

What prevents you from ALSO having glibc?

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by coldtea »

judge2020 wrote: post #46
lotsofpulp wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of “buy”, they should be labeled “rentals - as long as provider exists or chooses to give you access”.

The terminology should be either "License", "Buy a License", or "Purchase Indefinite License ", but it's distinctively "not renting" since it's a one-time cost to obtain that indefinite license. Renting anything implies and requires some form of ongoing cost.

What "indefinite license"? They can, and do, take content off at any time...

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

#87

Post by pitaj »

Aissen wrote: post #79
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #71

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Netflix doesn’t do it because they want to. They do it because it’s part of the licensing agreements they sign to get content.

If it was the whole story, they'd put their own content (the rare ones for which they have 100% of the rights) with no DRM and the maximum resolution. But they don't do that. In some cases you might get 720p (Netflix content) instead of 540p (third party) with widevine L3.

It's probably more complexity to exclude certain content than to treat everything the same.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by koolba »

pitaj wrote: post #87
Aissen wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was the whole story, they'd put their own content (the rare ones for which they have 100% of the rights) with no DRM and the maximum resolution. But they don't do that. In some cases you might get 720p (Netflix content) instead of 540p (third party) with widevine L3.

It's probably more complexity to exclude certain content than to treat everything the same.

Technical complexity aside, it’d be a business risk to accidentally mislabel a stream as not requiring DRM too.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

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Post by shadowgovt »

gpm wrote: post #82
stefan_ wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know we had that, they called it HDCP. It continues to frustrate users of beamers and what not today, despite the root key being leaked for many years now. Even before the key leak, it never did anything to stop shows appearing as torrents on day one. It will never work, if pirates have to replace the TV panel with an FPGA, they will happily do so.

> It will never work, if pirates have to replace the TV panel with an FPGA, they will happily do so. Evidence does appear to point to you being right, but I really wonder just who is going to these lengths to pirate things for other people? A significant investment of time and money, from highly a highly skilled individual, for... bragging rights? Is there some financial motive I'm unaware of?

> but I really wonder just who is going to these lengths to pirate things for other people?

Content owners really seem to underestimate how far people are willing to go for kudos alone on setup cost if the reproduction cost is zero.

Also for some people it's a point of philosophy / concern about future-proofing. Guy I knew back in the day was the biggest torrenter around... He was stuffing a hard drive full of '80s cartoons. His attitude on it was that the creators and owners did not care if those half-hour toy commercials would be around in 100 years, but he did.

Re: The Quest for Netflix on Asahi Linux

#90

Post by mardifoufs »

a257 wrote: post #51
mardifoufs wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eehhh at the end of the day, L1 is still almost impossible to bypass and hasn't been broken in years. So it still works, meaning it doesn't really matter even if it's security by obscurity (I dont think it qualifies for the term but anyways).

L1 has been bypassed by piracy groups for years (through social engineering). They just don't share the keys publicly because it would give their opponents an advantage. See [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29702110

True, I didn't realize those were l1 keys. I'll have to read up on the revocation mechanism, if there is any. I'm also wondering how those keys usually leak. Is it through vulns, or just exploiting unsecure key handling?
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