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Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Great question! So all of the files are generated with either compiles or GPT-3, or if the files already exist on the repo and need to be modified, the bots use GPT-3 code edits to modify the files. $299/project/month will sound expensive if you compare it to starter kits (usually free), templates (usually Also, yea pricing is hard! It may change.

And this boilerplate can't be added fast with Copilot? Which is $100/year.

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Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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From the video, Second looks more like a UI wrapped over a boilerplate generators that have existed for quite a while. It's a pretty powerful one, and that can be very useful in itself but how is AI involved here? If it is, was it needed in the first place? I was expecting the inputs to be more along, "give me an app to manage a restaurant", but the inputs are modules (Forgot password, billing), which are generic pie…

This comment gave me the Dropbox vibes of 2007: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 :)

Dropbox also launched in a non-collapsed market. OP has a cool product, but the comment is right - how wide is their moat here?

The biggest lesson to learn from Dropbox is that if you don't build a unique enough product, larger companies will eat your lunch. Microsoft already has Copilot patents, if Second ever threatens them then they have full control over the economics of GPT. Their business is built on the goodwill of a direct competitor.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment gave me the Dropbox vibes of 2007: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 :)

Dropbox also launched in a non-collapsed market. OP has a cool product, but the comment is right - how wide is their moat here? The biggest lesson to learn from Dropbox is that if you don't build a unique enough product, larger companies will eat your lunch. Microsoft already has Copilot patents, if Second ever threatens them then they have full control over the economics of GPT. Their business is built on the goodwi…

OpenAI has the GPT models, not Microsoft. Also the open source models like BLOOM are getting better over time and when OpenAI pulls the rug, maybe they'll be competitive.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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I can see how “divide and conquer” can get the job done for many standard tasks/modules, but it seems like it invites a lack of coherency across units as the model stumbles into a different style and approach each time you engage it. This sounds like it would bring huge maintenance and optimization challenges to any large effort. What are you seeing so far and how are you planning to keep it under control? Or is the…

Yea you're totally right! So the more I learn on compilers vs GPT-3, the more of a maintenance issue things become. So as much as possible I'm using GPT-3, and then using compilers where it makes sense.

I have had good results so far feeding in things like directory structures, and asking the model a question, and getting good answers as to what files and folders should be added or modified for an outcome.

For example, a prompt might be "given the following directory structure, where should I put my prisma schema file?" and GPT-3 tends to answer this correctly

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Why are you trying to put the rest of us out of a job? Projects like this are just going to cause economic harm to other software developers. It's punching down on others in the industry, and it's not good. As a coder who also makes art, I feel like these companies wielding these new AI tools are screwing me twice over. Maybe it's time to retrain as a plumber or electrician, because any industry that has a large digi…

> Why are you trying to put the rest of us out of a job? Why are you using a shovel when a spoon would do? You’re in software. Surely you were aware that things can be automated.

At some point that's going to cross a threshold from things to everything, and then we'll be in trouble.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropbox also launched in a non-collapsed market. OP has a cool product, but the comment is right - how wide is their moat here? The biggest lesson to learn from Dropbox is that if you don't build a unique enough product, larger companies will eat your lunch. Microsoft already has Copilot patents, if Second ever threatens them then they have full control over the economics of GPT. Their business is built on the goodwi…

OpenAI has the GPT models, not Microsoft. Also the open source models like BLOOM are getting better over time and when OpenAI pulls the rug, maybe they'll be competitive.

Fingers crossed. I don't have much hope though. It feels like everyone has said that there's plenty of incentive to knock Nvidia's block off with this AI business, but we've yet to see any real competition.

My guess is that the profitability of ChatGPT is configurable enough to compete with SOTA competitors. Even if a better model crops up, out-pricing OpenAI will be a struggle. It might even require a hosting partnership with AWS or Azure.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

#58
I honestly recommend you to add the available bots on the homepage. The fact that I have to play a video to see what you support is kind of weird. And even in the video, I have to pause it and zoom in on a screen that wasn't even made to showcase this. It's really hard to get an understanding of what the product actually does. And since you're trying to sell to tech people, I think you should prioritize this over the rest of the stuff you show on that landing.

Seems nice, good luck!

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

#59
No offense but that demo video is pathetic not to mention the weird background music. Actually, I think the entire thing is way too rushed and you haven't thought this through at all.

Are you seriously so desperate to ride this stupid AI hype that you couldn't do a better job at showcasing what the app can actually do?

I am sorry for being so critical, but I believe I am right. With a free account, you can do like two basic things, but if I click on one of the "Pro" features, there is no preview or nothing at all.

Why would I give you _$299_ to actually try the app only to end up going through the hassle to charge it back because the app didn't do what I thought it would? Is it even possible to get a refund?

Where is an example of a project/app/website you've built with this? I think you might've lost yourself some credibility and long-term customers by publishing it this way.

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