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Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by immortalloom »

DeathArrow wrote: post #33

Can I use this with .NET on the backend and Vue.js on the front-end? Is it capable to generate microservices in a microservice based app? If yes, can it add endpoints to the gateway and generate helm charts for deployment in Kubernetes? Can it use the default inter service communication in the project, i.e. REST API, gRPC, AMPQ? Is it capable of using an external identity provider? Can it use Keycloak? Can it cache d…

Today no. Today my bots specialize in Next.js.

But with enough demand, I plan to also support Vue (Nuxt) and Svelt.

It's possible that I may someday support .NET. I would like to eventually build bots that specialize in every framework and platform. Baby steps!

About identity providers - Yes! I've used bots to set up Auth0 for one customer, and I frequently get asks for other providers. These will be coming soon!

About Keycloak - looks really cool! I have not used it. At the moment, features are driven largely by customers and user requests. If there is some demand for it, then sure! https://second.canny.io/feature-requests

About caching in Redis - it absolutely could, but does not today

about read and writing to databases – the only thing that Second does is write code, it's not hosting the web application or managing DBs

About CQRS - I believe this could be possible, so long as GPT-3 understands that pattern

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by swatcoder »

I can see how “divide and conquer” can get the job done for many standard tasks/modules, but it seems like it invites a lack of coherency across units as the model stumbles into a different style and approach each time you engage it.

This sounds like it would bring huge maintenance and optimization challenges to any large effort.

What are you seeing so far and how are you planning to keep it under control? Or is the utility of this always going to be fundamentally bounded by the context size?

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by s1k3s »

shubhamjain wrote: post #7

From the video, Second looks more like a UI wrapped over a boilerplate generators that have existed for quite a while. It's a pretty powerful one, and that can be very useful in itself but how is AI involved here? If it is, was it needed in the first place? I was expecting the inputs to be more along, "give me an app to manage a restaurant", but the inputs are modules (Forgot password, billing), which are generic pie…

This comment gave me the Dropbox vibes of 2007: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 :)

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by triyambakam »

bumille wrote: post #39

Why are you trying to put the rest of us out of a job? Projects like this are just going to cause economic harm to other software developers. It's punching down on others in the industry, and it's not good. As a coder who also makes art, I feel like these companies wielding these new AI tools are screwing me twice over. Maybe it's time to retrain as a plumber or electrician, because any industry that has a large digi…

You have a few options now.

1. Learn to drive the tractor

2. Be the person who can repair a tractor

3. Start a tractor company

4. Find a business application that previously was not possible without tractors, or that is now much cheaper with tractors

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by yunwal »

bumille wrote: post #39

Why are you trying to put the rest of us out of a job? Projects like this are just going to cause economic harm to other software developers. It's punching down on others in the industry, and it's not good. As a coder who also makes art, I feel like these companies wielding these new AI tools are screwing me twice over. Maybe it's time to retrain as a plumber or electrician, because any industry that has a large digi…

> Why are you trying to put the rest of us out of a job?

Why are you using a shovel when a spoon would do?

You’re in software. Surely you were aware that things can be automated.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by immortalloom »

itake wrote: post #23
shubhamjain wrote: post #7

From the video, Second looks more like a UI wrapped over a boilerplate generators that have existed for quite a while. It's a pretty powerful one, and that can be very useful in itself but how is AI involved here? If it is, was it needed in the first place? I was expecting the inputs to be more along, "give me an app to manage a restaurant", but the inputs are modules (Forgot password, billing), which are generic pie…

I could see this used at a big tech companies using golang. I think each company has their startup kit, but it still requires a lot of lifting and lacks many features like open source tools.

yea totally! My plan is to train models on companies design systems as well. I think if done correctly, it could be a huge boost to product development velocity.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by renewiltord »

Ah I see the use case since I've often needed this. I'll have an app I make to pass the time and then I'll want to add auth to it. It's always a bit of a thing. Okay, I like the idea. I don't have a present use for it, but I will try it when I do.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by immortalloom »

candiddevmike wrote: post #40
immortalloom wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah. To be honest, 2023 is going to be insane. I'm sure hundreds, if not thousands, of companies are going to emerge which greatly improve the software development process.

I think the software development process is fine, it's all the organizational cruft that slows it down. Your company is a good example of it--you probably didn't use Second to make Second, and being a solo dev had to have been a huge benefit to your velocity. The things that hurt software development are people/process related, and can't be fixed by software, IMO.

Funny enough, I did use second to build the authentication flows. But I've diverged a bit because I haven't had a chance to fully build out the other modules that Second will need.

I'm planning on rebuilding Second with Second as soon as I have all of the appropriate modules in place!

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