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Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by immortalloom »

fuzzythinker wrote: post #18

Congrats! Looks useful. Can you explain the difference between Starter, Pro, and Maintenance Bots? $299/mo is pretty steep w/o a trial period. If you're against a trial period, what's the refund policy? Can we change the project it's pointing to at any given time? When does the 50% promo end?

The Stater plan is free for all time!

If you upgrade to Pro, and for whatever reason it's not for you, I'll give folks a 100% refund. I'm not going to charge anything if it's not delivering real value. The 50% promo ends EOD tomorrow.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by immortalloom »

samstave wrote: post #25

It would be very interesting to see this given to (young) students with a few "hello world" examples for various types of basic sites where they have zero or very little coding expertise and get them from zero to having a live site for a simple project - and push them further down the path.

Agreed! I would love that. I do plan on having "pre-configured" web apps as well to make it even easier.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by DeathArrow »

Can I use this with .NET on the backend and Vue.js on the front-end?

Is it capable to generate microservices in a microservice based app? If yes, can it add endpoints to the gateway and generate helm charts for deployment in Kubernetes? Can it use the default inter service communication in the project, i.e. REST API, gRPC, AMPQ?

Is it capable of using an external identity provider?

Can it use Keycloak?

Can it cache data in Redis instead of just writing it to DB?

If my data layer consists in a repository that reads and writes to sharded databases can it do the same?

If I am using CQRS and event sourcing in the code, can it do the same?

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by immortalloom »

candiddevmike wrote: post #27
immortalloom wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. Copilot is more like an extreme programming experience, where you are still piecing together things yourself in the IDE. Second does all of that for you by building complete features and raising a pull request! I believe that in the future, A.I. bots will be used to build large chunks of the codebase (like Second). And then human engineers will use A.I. bots in the browser to make low level tweaks and addition…

Hopefully in your future an AI bot doesn't invent a Second competitor and put you out of business.

Hah. To be honest, 2023 is going to be insane. I'm sure hundreds, if not thousands, of companies are going to emerge which greatly improve the software development process.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by chandan_maruthi »

A an engineer and founder I can say this makes a ton of sense. There are often tons of generic screen very app needs to build that are just not worth the time building custom, I can imagine myself using Second for such screens that are not core to my functionality but essential to complete the product story. Kudos for the work Eric.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by bumille »

Why are you trying to put the rest of us out of a job?

Projects like this are just going to cause economic harm to other software developers. It's punching down on others in the industry, and it's not good.

As a coder who also makes art, I feel like these companies wielding these new AI tools are screwing me twice over. Maybe it's time to retrain as a plumber or electrician, because any industry that has a large digital component is getting increasingly fucked.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Post by candiddevmike »

immortalloom wrote: post #34
candiddevmike wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully in your future an AI bot doesn't invent a Second competitor and put you out of business.

Hah. To be honest, 2023 is going to be insane. I'm sure hundreds, if not thousands, of companies are going to emerge which greatly improve the software development process.

I think the software development process is fine, it's all the organizational cruft that slows it down. Your company is a good example of it--you probably didn't use Second to make Second, and being a solo dev had to have been a huge benefit to your velocity.

The things that hurt software development are people/process related, and can't be fixed by software, IMO.

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