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Why Poverty Persists in America

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> The deregulation of the banking system in the 1980s heightened competition among banks. Many responded by raising fees and requiring customers to carry minimum balances. In 1977, over a third of banks offered accounts with no service charge. By the early 1990s, only 5 percent did. I would think that increased competition would improve conditions for customers?

First thought is that bank’s make their money from loans. As such the primary way they attract their actual customers is to keep interest rates as low as possible. Second thought is that the reason they want people to store their money with them is so they have more money to loan out. This means that the class of people who store little money with them, especially the people who are constantly near zero, are essentially using the services without providing a benefit to the bank in return. As such, increasing fees on those people would allow the bank to turn more profit without negatively affecting their actual business, or maybe even let them have slightly lower interest rates than their competitors due to a secondary income stream.

Or TLDR: People who don’t store much money in their bank account aren’t customers the bank wants if we ignore fees.

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https://archive.is/m1iai It seems to be the usual things, education, understanding and knowledge of opportunities, risky behavior, and blind trust in the system waiting for it to live a person up rather than them having to lift themselves up.

This thinking is a major cause. By blaming the impoverished one can justify doing nothing.

By blaming the system one can justify doing anything, often without having to prove the efficacy of anything.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aye, and the Postal Office can also be a solution here. Personnel distribution, processes, etc. would be fairly straightforward to re-implement. https://www.aarp.org/money/investing/info-2022/restarting-po...

The usps is the only well functioning government organization left and Republicans are set on kneecapping it so they can privatize it

Indeed. That they are underfunded and thus need to support the spam mailers is another issue entirely.

But as far as central non-digital services centers go, the USPS is top notch. It can be improved, sure, and it suffers from the same issues many government services handicapped by the misplaced, accumulated "starve the beast" policy cruft. Despite this, it remains a fantastic resource.

I really wish certain political ideologies would recognize when they are shooting themselves and their fellow citizens in the collective foot.

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> The deregulation of the banking system in the 1980s heightened competition among banks. Many responded by raising fees and requiring customers to carry minimum balances. In 1977, over a third of banks offered accounts with no service charge. By the early 1990s, only 5 percent did. I would think that increased competition would improve conditions for customers?

It's because banks don't make any money off of customers with low balances (and therefore don't really care whether they are customers or not).

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Our military budget is substantially larger today than it was when we were actively engaged in both Iraq and Afghanistan just a few short years ago Our military budget will soon pass $1 trillion annually Our elected representatives now routinely provide the Pentagon with more money than it even requests Every NYTimes article on Ukraine is riddled with comments suggesting we provide a blank check for weaponry The Wash…

Finance Money is always the culprit.

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Poverty persists because Americans have abandoned the notions of education and safety. Entire cities are destroyed by generational poverty but those are also the highest in crime. No one talks about the 20+ murders a weekend in South-side Chicago. No one. How do you expect children to get an education and lift themselves out of poverty when they are terrified of being gunned down every single day?

The worst parts of the US need a well-trained, well-monitored police state that will bring safety to those neighborhoods and so that the kids can get educated properly and level up into the middle class and higher. I'm all for freedom, but we can only achieve freedom once we have moved up in Maslow's hierarchy, and people in those neighborhoods don't have the foundation to thrive.

Second, we need to focus on education. Education, especially when run by people like those in charge of California's education system, is ruinous. Lowering standards only helps those white liberal educators feel better about themselves by seeing graduation percentages go up. But it leaves the children unable to compete and unprepared for the real world. It's like the story of Blind Side, where Michael Oher kept getting graduated to the next grade but he couldn't read. That's what is going on in California, when they start saying that mathematics propagates white supremacy, as if mathematics didn't originate outside of America. I believe the poorest areas of the US should get double or triple the number of teachers, so that class sizes are small and kids get the learning they need.

Safety and education. I believe those are what bring people out of poverty. My parents grew up in a war-torn country, and they grew up poor. My grandfather had a gambling addiction and never had enough money to pay tuition for my dad. Both my parents studied their asses off and immigrated to North America, and we became middle class. My siblings and I are all 1%ers or higher, and that's because we could thrive because of the education we received. We need to give kids in the worst areas a chance, but no one cares so places like Chicago, St. Louis, Baltimore, Missouri, etc are all left to fend for themselves in squalor and they will NEVER get out of it by themselves without safety and education.

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Our military budget is substantially larger today than it was when we were actively engaged in both Iraq and Afghanistan just a few short years ago Our military budget will soon pass $1 trillion annually Our elected representatives now routinely provide the Pentagon with more money than it even requests Every NYTimes article on Ukraine is riddled with comments suggesting we provide a blank check for weaponry The Wash…

How much of this spending is really about creating defense jobs in the various representatives districts? Here is an article that argues defense spending is a form of indirect welfare.

Abstract: this article, we present a new theory that, given the economic consequences of military spending, some governments may use military spending as a means of advancing their domestic non-military objectives. Based on evidence that governments can use military spending as welfare policy in disguise, we argue that the role of ideology in shaping military spending is more complicated than simple left-right politics. We also present a theory that strategic elites take advantage of opportunities presented by international events, leading us to expect govermments that favor more hawkish foreign policy policies to use low-level international conflicts as opportunities for increasing military spending. Using pooled time-series data from 19 advanced democracies in the post-World War I period, we find that government ideology, measured as welfore and

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25766258

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> If enough workers in a specific economic sector — retail, hotel services, nursing — voted for the measure, the secretary of labor could establish a bargaining panel made up of representatives elected by the workers. The panel could negotiate with companies to secure the best terms for workers across the industry. I'd be wary of these 'mega-unions' my SO has one here in Spain as she is a nurse and it hasn't been ver…

Things in the US are a bit different - for starters, there is not such thing as the Spanish “convenio”, thus companies are left to set their own terms, which, in most cases, is the bare minimum.

Large unions do exist in the US, but again, they do not organise as their Spanish counterparts, as they only exist attached to a trade or industry. Thus, workers who want to organise, cannot just go and say “we are now represented by this or that union”, and if there is not an union to their trade, they would need to self organise into a small union, which obviously does not have the same bargaining power as a larger one, see the Starbucks employees unionising across the US.

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The usps is the only well functioning government organization left and Republicans are set on kneecapping it so they can privatize it

Indeed. That they are underfunded and thus need to support the spam mailers is another issue entirely. But as far as central non-digital services centers go, the USPS is top notch. It can be improved, sure, and it suffers from the same issues many government services handicapped by the misplaced, accumulated "starve the beast" policy cruft. Despite this, it remains a fantastic resource. I really wish certain politica…

Calling "starve the beast" a misplaced policy is a pretty heavy watering down of how insidious it truly is
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