Groups for Business seems to be thriving and has many new features, especially for admins.
(it's well integrated with free/consumer Groups, and I assume they use the same codebase, i.e. consumer Groups is just a tiny subset)
Google Groups has been left to die
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Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
AtariAge.com[1] - first created in 1988, or 25 years ago. Run by some bloke on the internet. The problem for Google Groups is that no-one can perf-farm it any more, which is the sole reason for projects to survive at Google... 1: https://atariage.com/about.php
> first created in 1988, or 25 years ago 1988 was 35 years ago. I know, hard to believe... want to know something even more shocking?? People who are today 18 years old were born in 2005!
It's hard for even me to believe that I'll be turning 18 in a few months. All the responsibilities...
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#183Looking back, it's quite surprising how stagnant, in some sense, the social media space has become. How centralised and how... lame. The big hitters really did pillage and burn. Now, between moderation norms becoming increasingly sensitive and the hard turn the web took away from open... It's hard to see any new form take off. That said, perhaps that means it's a perfect time. Groups/Usenet has its limitations. Featu…
> There must be a way. Why not have freedom in social media again? Because any kind of social media, especially when it allows binary assets, will be abused by CSAM and piracy spreaders, by Holocaust deniers, by scammers, by spammers shilling dick enlargement pills, questionably "legal" drugs, questionable dietary supplements or all kinds of other stuff, by trolls bullying people right up to suicide "for the lulz", o…
Honestly while not good "lolicon to the_donald" are the least of Reddit's problems and why it's gone crazy.
The moderation of /r/politics /r/new and other massive/default subreddits combined with how the admins now step in on random communities to impose whatever moral view they happen to have that week has effectually caused the site to diverge hilariously far from reality. If anything Reddit is an example of how more moderation can make a community more extreme rather then less.
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with USENET is spam. Moderation can be a burden. I suppose Google has some systems in place to mitigate this.
Chat AI is going to make combatting spam 100X harder. Imho we're reaching the end of our ability to allow anonymous contribution to public fora in general. Which is why I have a conspiracy theory about why conspiracy theorists are against "digital ID".
Anonymous boards will probably stick around but become near worthless and be superficially filled with colourful low effort posts.
None of us are anonymous to the three letter agencies, isps and web services without layers of extra protection.
The idea that humility is hiding but also that we all must be watched to keep us from screwing up, will continue as normal in the US.
I would suggest that the old rationalist view that privacy is in anonymity would be changed to privacy existing for the unknown citizen, the internet user that is off-the-map or leaves no trace. Popular VPNs already have started this journey by obscuring your country's location.
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
>You call it "alt-left", I proudly call it "Antifa". Yeah, I wonder why you're only concerned about right wing trolling - left wing abuse is a-okay with you?
Do tell, where exactly is the left engaged in hate speech campaigns that come even close to the amount of abuse from the right wing? Not to mention domestic terrorism? Both in the US and Germany, the answer is "an utterly dominant majority comes from the right wing".
Are you just blanking out on the whole of the 1965-1980? Domestic terrorism has always been the wheelhouse of the left for the USA. It's only very recently the right has been getting involved and still has a long way to go to get close. Once we start getting monthly bombings we can call it "even" and then push it father to get to "an utterly dominant majority comes from the right wing" what revisionist history.
People seem to have forgotten just how much political violence used to happen in this country. I can't see any other reason you'd make such a ridiculous assertion.
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
AtariAge.com[1] - first created in 1988, or 25 years ago. Run by some bloke on the internet. The problem for Google Groups is that no-one can perf-farm it any more, which is the sole reason for projects to survive at Google... 1: https://atariage.com/about.php
> first created in 1988, or 25 years ago 1988 was 35 years ago. I know, hard to believe... want to know something even more shocking?? People who are today 18 years old were born in 2005!
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Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chat AI is going to make combatting spam 100X harder. Imho we're reaching the end of our ability to allow anonymous contribution to public fora in general. Which is why I have a conspiracy theory about why conspiracy theorists are against "digital ID".
Anonymous boards will probably stick around but become near worthless and be superficially filled with colourful low effort posts. None of us are anonymous to the three letter agencies, isps and web services without layers of extra protection. The idea that humility is hiding but also that we all must be watched to keep us from screwing up, will continue as normal in the US. I would suggest that the old rationalist v…
Right. I'm not saying that real identity should be mandatory throughout the internet, but that providers should be able to confirm real identity before allowing people to contribute content to their boards.
For reference, I'm rate-limited here on Hacker News because I'm politically opinionated and don't shy away from angry arguments. Would this be a better site if I went and created a new account every time Dang got annoyed with me?
Otherwise any open text entry box will get flooded by AIs that are completely indistinguishable from human content. Basically the existing problems with troll-farms and spam-bots and hackers will get magnified order of magnitude. Repeatedly, as the tech becomes better and cheaper.
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
AtariAge.com[1] - first created in 1988, or 25 years ago. Run by some bloke on the internet. The problem for Google Groups is that no-one can perf-farm it any more, which is the sole reason for projects to survive at Google... 1: https://atariage.com/about.php
> first created in 1988, or 25 years ago 1988 was 35 years ago. I know, hard to believe... want to know something even more shocking?? People who are today 18 years old were born in 2005!
Yeah, typo. I meant to put 1998 - which is 25 years ago :)
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
AtariAge.com[1] - first created in 1988, or 25 years ago. Run by some bloke on the internet. The problem for Google Groups is that no-one can perf-farm it any more, which is the sole reason for projects to survive at Google... 1: https://atariage.com/about.php
Ahem, typo? Site says it was created in 1998. Which coincidentally was 25 years ago...
Yep, typo. At least I got the date-range correct :)
Re: Google Groups has been left to die
#190It's interesting to consider this genre, the "community website".
The primary functions are chat, forums, maybe a wiki or a blog.
So a "community website" is a union of all the modes people use to communicate on the web.
Therefore the solution is going to be a curated compose.yml that runs best-in-class versions of each thing with baked-in identity configuration and its own strong community around data movement between processes. Imagine a website that helps users build their own compose.yml based on their choice of components, similar to https://start.spring.io/.
However, even if you had this, the "exercise for the reader" will be substantial: get a domain name and a host, learn to admin linux and docker. Finally get the compose file and run it. And learn to troubleshoot each process, with its unique runtime and build, when things go wrong. This is a heavy investment, but probably worth it. Kind of like learning to work on your own car.