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Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by wlonkly »

freefaler wrote: post #192

I see all the people here talking about JIRA or/and Bitbucket server. However Confulence is not mentioned that much. I think the hardest product to replace is Confluence, especially on-prem, when you need your data inside your firewall. There are many bad things in Confluence: 1. search is completely broken since several versions 2. the editor is not very good 3. it's just too slow Hoever, there is 1 very good featur…

> search is completely broken since several versions

The terrible secret of Confluence search is that it defaults to OR between terms (which I think is a Lucene default that it inherited, even if it doesn't use Lucene anymore).

Once I started remembering to add AND between my search terms my searches became much more relevant. It's silly that I have to, of course, but I'm glad to get better search results.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by wlonkly »

noisy_boy wrote: post #160

Based on the shitting on Jira going on in this thread, seems like Atlassian have an opportunity to introduce a (optional) simplified-UI that focuses on solving the most common workflow. Something like IntelliJ's "new" UI that reduces the clutter in the main screen (all the original knobs are still available in the Settings dialog).

I have bad news for you -- this is Jira's "Team Projects" and it's the worst of both worlds. "What if Trello, but in Jira?"

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

jemmyw wrote: post #92
nullspace wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developer here. I quite like Jira, I've never seen anything as fleshed out or complete as it is. At a previous startup, I used clubhouse.io, but I seriously missed Jira after a few months. I generally think Atlassian is a really solid company building good products and I really don't get the hatred. I'm also open to acceptable alternatives to Jira and Trello. Edit: ooh, just saw that they also own statuspage. And eve…

As someone who has worked on integrations with Jira for many years, it's the length of time bugs stay open. Our customers use Jira and they have to put up with its buggy behaviour that takes a very long time to get fixed or is just marked won't fix without explanation. Every product has bugs of course, but their attitude to them is quite bad. For example, there was a bug to do with epics and webhooks for years. Then…

Yes I heard that it was lots of legacy JSP stuff.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by dcchambers »

Sometimes I feel like the only person in the world that actually likes confluence. Far from perfect, but better than a lot of the competition.

Then again, my first job out of college they tried to make us shed Confluence for...SharePoint...for our internal docs/knowledge. I still shudder when I think about that.

Especially compared to the whale that is Jira. From a dev perspective I think Trello was pretty much perfect for managing projects, but I think PMs and managers really like the...features...in Jira.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by ulfw »

I have just received an email: "Thank you for your interest in Atlassian.

After recently reviewing the role you applied for against business requirements, we have decided not to progress with hiring for the position at this time. "

I applied 9-10 months ago. They haven't bothered to auto-respond until now.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by freefaler »

cypherg wrote: post #201
freefaler wrote: post #192

I see all the people here talking about JIRA or/and Bitbucket server. However Confulence is not mentioned that much. I think the hardest product to replace is Confluence, especially on-prem, when you need your data inside your firewall. There are many bad things in Confluence: 1. search is completely broken since several versions 2. the editor is not very good 3. it's just too slow Hoever, there is 1 very good featur…

mate, on-prem is dead. it's not just atlassian, it's most software that can be run as saas. when people run on-prem they get hacked, for failing to patch or doing something equally ignorant, which ironically makes atlassian look bad. plus they would have to maintain 2 versions of the software, the saas version and the on-prem. just not worth it. better in invest in making their cloud better (get FedRAMP, etc)

Most of the time these are behind a firewall so bugs are not that dangerous. Also most of the companies that choose on-prem have their own sysadmins and are more capable to protect themselves.

On-prem requirements can be legal, but also it's a bad practice to leave core business processes and data outside of your control. What if the vendor decides to raise the prices (like Atlassian did) or to discontinue the product altogether?

The stability of the company can be hindered by a "management decision" outside of your control. That's why I think on-prem wouldn't be dead, even for smaller companies.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by pjmlp »

dcchambers wrote: post #214

Sometimes I feel like the only person in the world that actually likes confluence. Far from perfect, but better than a lot of the competition. Then again, my first job out of college they tried to make us shed Confluence for...SharePoint...for our internal docs/knowledge. I still shudder when I think about that. Especially compared to the whale that is Jira. From a dev perspective I think Trello was pretty much perfe…

You're not alone, I seldom found anything better than Atlassian products on the enterprise space.

They thrive, because the alternatives are even worse.

It is like trying to replace Office with half of the features, it works when one doesn't need more than a typewriter or a plain old table.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by Vespasian »

908B64B197 wrote: post #179
Jedd wrote: post #67

Six months ago they announced plans to grow their headcount in India by 1500 before end-2024. Their worldwide headcount growth since 2019 [0] does feel, in retrospect at least, untenable - year on year - 3600, 4900, 6400, 8800. Arguably this fits into the same 'correction' category as other big players in recent months. Reading the potted history [1] of acquisitions / sell-offs is a trip down memory lane. It feels li…

> Six months ago they announced plans to grow their headcount in India by 1500 before end-2024. I know a lot of people moving away from Atlassian because of performance issue. Not sure how this will reverse the trend.

For us at least their "forced" switch to Jira cloud was a massive increase in cost (which was the intention I guess).

Their developer offering at bitbucket is also more expensive and lacks critical features which are supported by the competition.

The market is bound to react somehow.

On the other hand vendor lock in is a powerful tool for atlassian.

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