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ChatGPT Explained: A normie's guide to how it works

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Re: ChatGPT Explained: A normie's guide to how it works

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ChatGPT is probably the first software product that I have no idea how I'd go about implementing. I watched a number of YT videos about it including Andrew Carpathy's 2 hour coding session building a mini GPT.

I understand the process abstractly, but I am unable to grok the details about how it's able to take my vague interpretation of what I want and then write code and actually give me exactly what I wanted.

Re: ChatGPT Explained: A normie's guide to how it works

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I posted some comments about ChatGTP in a local FB group and there was a pretty large percent of folks who responded here that think it's just an awful thing that's going to lead to the downfall of civilization. I tried to offer that it is pretty cool, but it's just software that basically presents search engine results in a different manner along with a few other tricks, but it's not "HAL". I live in a very red and…

> I live in a very red and rural area so that probably has something to do with it. They love to have new things to complain about that have no effect on any of us at all. That seems an ungenerous interpretation. I don't doubt that their understanding is full of science-fiction inspired fear, but the implications and dangers of this tech is a hotly debated topic among informed experts. So, even if their specific fear…

Especially since the powers that be didn't really do much to cushion the impact of previous societal advances.

Re: ChatGPT Explained: A normie's guide to how it works

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I posted some comments about ChatGTP in a local FB group and there was a pretty large percent of folks who responded here that think it's just an awful thing that's going to lead to the downfall of civilization. I tried to offer that it is pretty cool, but it's just software that basically presents search engine results in a different manner along with a few other tricks, but it's not "HAL". I live in a very red and…

> I live in a very red and rural area

This seems like an unnecessary invocation of negative stereotypes. What makes you think people outside outside that demographic don't have similar thoughts? Anecdata and all that.

Re: ChatGPT Explained: A normie's guide to how it works

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I get the sense that ChatGPT crosses a complexity threshold where there’s no good way to describe how it works that satisfies everybody, and that’s leading to cyclical stories of the form “everyone else describes it wrong, so here’s my take.” As a heuristic, I see descriptions falling into simple buckets: - stories that talk about tokens - stories that don’t talk about tokens Anything discussing technical details suc…

"err on the side of attributing magic to the process"

I think that is due to LLMs being somewhat magical. I think that the wolfram article "What Is ChatGPT Doing … and Why Does It Work?" captures this beautifully.

Re: ChatGPT Explained: A normie's guide to how it works

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ChatGPT is probably the first software product that I have no idea how I'd go about implementing. I watched a number of YT videos about it including Andrew Carpathy's 2 hour coding session building a mini GPT. I understand the process abstractly, but I am unable to grok the details about how it's able to take my vague interpretation of what I want and then write code and actually give me exactly what I wanted.

I would recommend playing with the new ChatGPT API a bit.

Trial and error in terms of tweaking the system prompt is surprisingly instructive.

Re: ChatGPT Explained: A normie's guide to how it works

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I like the token window bit. I don't really like the probability bit, because it kinda alludes that OpenAI just built a huge probability map of all N-grams (N=8000) and called it a day. Which incidentally would also imply that a lot of N-grams just don't exist in the training data, causing the model to completely halt when someone says something unexpected. But that's not the case - instead we convert words into a lo…

“The hard and expensive part of the above one-sentence explanation — the part that we’ve only recently hit on how to do using massive amounts of electricity and leading-edge computer chips — is hidden deep inside the word /related/.”

The whole point of mentioning relatedness is to show readers that we’re not dealing with finite n-grams.

Re: ChatGPT Explained: A normie's guide to how it works

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The biggest drawback of LLM is that it never answers with "I don't know" (unless it is some quote) and it just brings bullshit hallucinations which human has to reject as wrong. Thus it is mostly useless for anything serious. Personally I use it to beautify some text, but still have to do a bit of correction to fix b/s or missed context.

Yes, I see a lot of people talking about how it revolutionizes learning, but it only provides decent answers for extremely well-known and popular topics on the internet. Ask it a question about a less-documented human language for instance and it will mislead you with the most hilariously wrong and confidently made-up garbage answers.

This could end up being another example of knowledge quality going down as people keep going for the easiest was to get answers, like searching for info on topics on Instagram and TikTok.

Re: ChatGPT Explained: A normie's guide to how it works

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I posted some comments about ChatGTP in a local FB group and there was a pretty large percent of folks who responded here that think it's just an awful thing that's going to lead to the downfall of civilization. I tried to offer that it is pretty cool, but it's just software that basically presents search engine results in a different manner along with a few other tricks, but it's not "HAL". I live in a very red and…

I'll bite. How does chatgpt fit into any of the conservative themes? I'm baffled. Its not gendered, its not an immigrant, its not "elitist", it generally isn't partisan or for that matter opinionated. Why the hate?

Re: ChatGPT Explained: A normie's guide to how it works

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I feel like as an intro aimed at "normies" it still manages to communicate in a more abstract and overthinky way than necessary. People often find it difficult to intuit examples from abstract descriptions. BUT, people are great at intuiting abstractions from concrete examples. You rarely need to explicitly mention abstractions, in informal talk. People's minds are always abstracting. > If I’m relating the collection…

Technically it's a transformation rather than a translation because Pig Latin isn't a real language, it's the product of a word game to make up new words out of English words by rearranging them according to certain rules. The article does assume you know this though (and doesn't consider the alternative of picking a simpler example like cat to CAT in capital letters or cat to chat in French)

Same goes for its super brief explanation of a core term like "latent space", and it explain probability distributions by invoking atomic structures rather than a more basic stats example like a bell curve of adult human heights. It's definitely aimed at the sort of "normie" that reads Hacker News rather than actual normal people! I liked it though...

Re: ChatGPT Explained: A normie's guide to how it works

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I like the token window bit. I don't really like the probability bit, because it kinda alludes that OpenAI just built a huge probability map of all N-grams (N=8000) and called it a day. Which incidentally would also imply that a lot of N-grams just don't exist in the training data, causing the model to completely halt when someone says something unexpected. But that's not the case - instead we convert words into a lo…

So basically, if a pattern that hasn't been encountered before is seen, it will just try to connect "something" together, which is why it does things like predict today's date being in the future etc?

The model says, "I don't have a good enough path forwards here, I'll just make one up given the next best thing I have and serve it back"?

Maybe this is why Bing is working differently, they've changed the model or the working to just say, "I don't know" when there isn't enough confidence in what it's generated based off what it finds in it's database?

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