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Retail, search and Amazon’s $40B ‘advertising’ business

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Re: Retail, search and Amazon’s $40B ‘advertising’ business

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I keep trying to explain to people: they aren't "ads" they are "pay for customers to ever see your product". It's an extortion ring, basically. Just like nobody ever opens page 2 of Google search, people rarely scroll down very far on Amazon's product search page. These "ads" just put the highest bidders' products at the top-K spots (and K keeps increasing) so that customers aren't see the most relevant products, jus…

You don't like it? Don't shop at Amazon!

Re: Retail, search and Amazon’s $40B ‘advertising’ business

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post #205

I keep trying to explain to people: they aren't "ads" they are "pay for customers to ever see your product". It's an extortion ring, basically. Just like nobody ever opens page 2 of Google search, people rarely scroll down very far on Amazon's product search page. These "ads" just put the highest bidders' products at the top-K spots (and K keeps increasing) so that customers aren't see the most relevant products, jus…

You don't like it? Don't shop at Amazon!

oddly defensive of Amazon here. I think the criticism is warranted given that Amazon's core ecommerce product is a shadow of it's former self.

Re: Retail, search and Amazon’s $40B ‘advertising’ business

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Ads are to Amazon now what finance was to GE. Suddenly there are ways to make infinite money without continuous huge expense on physical infrastructure. Slowly other divisions will look like too much hassle for little gain when ads can generate 10s of billion dollars without millions of sq. ft warehouses which are anyway hell-holes as per media.

Re: Retail, search and Amazon’s $40B ‘advertising’ business

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I bought an echo dot on a whim. I was going to post in the thread about Alexa's 'failure' about how miserable the experience was, how demanding of access it was, how little function it delivered in return. But the second half of that story - the reason it led to me blacklisting Amazon belongs here: A day or two after installing the Echo Dot, I wrote a very personal and long postponed email to my sister. We haven't co…

As a technical aside, Did you voice transcribe your heartfelt message, or do you think the Echo intercepted and read the email contents?

Re: Retail, search and Amazon’s $40B ‘advertising’ business

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You don't like it? Don't shop at Amazon!

oddly defensive of Amazon here. I think the criticism is warranted given that Amazon's core ecommerce product is a shadow of it's former self.

"It's an extortion ring... Now it's reaping its reward by selling [customer trust] off wholesale."

I think this is hyperbolic. In my experience, they continue to deliver great products at reasonable prices, especially given inflation. I can regularly find the same products cheaper on Amazon than local brick and mortar retailers, as well as online Walmart and other online venues. If this is selling off my trust, they can keep selling it.

Re: Retail, search and Amazon’s $40B ‘advertising’ business

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If you use Chrome, then switch to another browser that allows full adblocker functionality. I use Firefox with UBlock Origin and hardly see any ads.

Sponsored segments on YouTube. Billboards. Sponsored texts in newspapers. "YC XXX is hiring" on HN. I use Firefox + uBlock Origin + Sponsorblock and a few others. Ads are still everywhere. Not as everywhere as they'd be without it, but it's not like adblocks get rid of them all together.

Whenever a politician or volunteer contacts me, I tell them my #1 issue is banning billboards, or at least putting it up as a ballot measure / referendum.

Re: Retail, search and Amazon’s $40B ‘advertising’ business

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post #205

I keep trying to explain to people: they aren't "ads" they are "pay for customers to ever see your product". It's an extortion ring, basically. Just like nobody ever opens page 2 of Google search, people rarely scroll down very far on Amazon's product search page. These "ads" just put the highest bidders' products at the top-K spots (and K keeps increasing) so that customers aren't see the most relevant products, jus…

I’ve reduced my usage of Amazon significantly since they made it near impossible to filter out 3rd party sellers.

I have no interest in eBay 2.0.

Re: Retail, search and Amazon’s $40B ‘advertising’ business

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> Like yesterday Amazon kept showing lightbulbs with the wrong physical socket size. This exact thing happened to me. One of the problems, was that the bulb I was looking at, had a specific mini-candelabra socket, and the ones they showed me, had one that was just slightly larger, but looked almost identical (and the name was also “mini candelabra”). This was one of those “recommendations,” in the list at the bottom.…

Amazon is rapidly dropping to my second or third place to look, I often start at Home Depot or Best Buy or other places without a marketplace first, then only sanity check Amazon to make sure I can't save somehow. Same thing happened to eBay, any attempt to cut down on the scammers just reduced the number of actual real sellers, until basically there's nothing but scammers left for large swaths of the site.

Best Buy is at least toying with the idea of a marketplace - Best Buy Canada search returns mostly marketplace items, but for now at least you can still filter to only items sold by Best Buy.

Re: Retail, search and Amazon’s $40B ‘advertising’ business

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post #205

I keep trying to explain to people: they aren't "ads" they are "pay for customers to ever see your product". It's an extortion ring, basically. Just like nobody ever opens page 2 of Google search, people rarely scroll down very far on Amazon's product search page. These "ads" just put the highest bidders' products at the top-K spots (and K keeps increasing) so that customers aren't see the most relevant products, jus…

You don't like it? Don't shop at Amazon!

I don't like it

I don't shop at Amazon

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