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The floppy disk just won’t die

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Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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There's still no cheap easy way to just physically hand someone data the way you could a floppy. It's a shame.

Smaller (≤16GB) MicroSD cards cost a few Euros, perhaps less than that in bulk. They are not quite as cheap as floppies were at some point. And not every device accepts them. There are also some very cheap USB sticks, though they usually come with older USB type A.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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I've had several hard drives fail over the years. They all signalled their impending doom by making interesting noises so I never lost any data. When my SSD fails I think I'm going to miss the noises.

I've worked with lots of (enterprisy) hard drives and SSDs. The hard drive failure rate was easily 10x the rate of the SSDs, but the SSDs basically never gave symptoms of impending doom. They just disappeared from the data channel. We did have one group of drives that gave symptoms... 50% of the batch dropped dead within 2 weeks of entering service, a good number failed over the time it took to get the rest of them r…

One day I rebooted my desktop and my C drive SSD was just gone. No warnings of any kind, great performance until it died.

I've always distrusted SSDs, and manufacturers continue to use lower quality controllers and flash, including sometimes changing a currently great drive to use cheaper components and sell it as the exact same device.

Meanwhile games load from my spinning rust within a minute, and SSDs never seem to actually improve that that much, because the code responsible for parsing and loading RAM seems to matter more.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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I'm going to ramp up my floppy hoarding now. Years ago I started hoarding Type II and Type IV cassette tapes, and I've 10x'd my investment on those easy. I don't have to even do anything and they just keep going up in value.

That Florian guy they quoted sounds like a real dick, too.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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If they are releasing on floppy, then the quality can't be up to much - that's going to be a pretty low bitrate MP3 to fit in that space!

Sometimes they'll be modtracker files (a handful of short samples + playback information) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_file

Sometimes they are low bitrate mp3s, too, which I guess can work for some songs in the genre which deliberately low bitrate samples.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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One of the things I wonder about in retrospect is why floppy drives remained at a static level of ability for the most part. I mean I know there were the LS120 and such things, but why wasn't there a manufacturer just pushing the tech a bit further? Like why not have a drive made with additional precision and capable of squeezing 3 MB into a floppy? Is there something about the actual media that put a hard limit on h…

There were 2.88" floppy disks, not mainstream. From memory, the home computer market moved quite quickly from cassettes to floppy disks (mid 80s). Everybody then used floppy disks either as primary storage or as a way to install software to hard disks (late 80s), increasingly so until we got CD-ROMs. They became the primary software distribution media (early 90s). That was 650 MB vs 1.44, game over. We had CD burners…

You forgot something. For small documents, the fd was the king. Burning a CD for small data was a waste, and damn slow.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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Yeah, but I recall that in the CD era, there were attempts to push the envelope. Like I do recall you could get 800 and even 900MB CDs and write past the normal end on standard CDs, because people figured that you can squeeze things a bit tighter and cut the corners a bit more here and there, and with the right drives that worked. I'm wondering why they didn't do that with floppy drives. It was definitely a thing on…

You having a fancy drive that could write more data isn't super useful unless other drives are likely to be able to read it. Looks like there was some softwarw [1] to jam more data onto disks, and Microsoft used an advanced format for software distribution on floppies as well. I felt like there was a pretty good amount of time between when cd-rom was widely available and when cd burning was reasonably priced. And the…

I used both zip and split.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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Gotek are awesome. I use one in an old 486 and it works really well as a floppy drive replacement. Especially with the FlashFloppy firmware replacement.

You have a working 486? If I had one, I'd spin up Civ1 just for old times!

Yeah! A DX2 66Mhz, with a real mechanical hard drive, in a real beige case with a turbo button :D Some modern "amenities" I have are the gotek, and a CF Card to IDE adapter, so I can more easily copy files to it.

I use it mostly for Borland C++, but also Solitaire in Windows 3.1.

I also have an 8088, a 286 and a 386...

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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Hmmm. All embroidery machines I have seen in the last - say - ten years were retrofitted with a floppy emulator like the Gotek, (only as an example, there are tens of possibly the same devices sold under n brands/names): https://www.gotekemulator.com/ https://www.gotekemulator.com/P_view.asp?pid=61

I was imagining something like a cassette tape->line in adapter like used to be common go play your ipod through your car stereo. I.e. something that would emulate the actual disk, not the disk drive.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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Actually late floppies from the early 00s are terrible, but old floppies from the 80s and early 90s are nearly indestructible. I have a huge pile of floppies from 1988 to 1992 and they all work. Even HDD ones formatted as FDD, though it's not recommended, still work fine 30 years later. I have a 1987 Apple //c with a bunch of 5.25" floppies of the same period and they all work just fine : games, UCSD Pascal, utilitie…

> but old floppies from the 80s and early 90s are nearly indestructible Not in my experience. Mine all failed.

Maybe you had a bad drive or something? I didn't even stored them in very good conditions...

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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sending a file to someone 5 feet away is still a challenge. Yeah, what the hell is with that? If I need to send files between phones I can use an app, but there's no telling when they'll stop developing it and it'll stop working. It's gotten to the point it's easer to copy a file onto my network drive and then recopy it to the destination device. When I'm away from home, though, I usually have to grab an actual USB c…

> > sending a file to someone 5 feet away is still a challenge. > Yeah, what the hell is with that? Back in the early 2000s, we had IrDA which could easily transfer files from one device to another through OBEX. Not much later, we had the same OBEX but now on top of Bluetooth. We still have Bluetooth; it should be easy to send files between phones (and even computers) through OBEX. Last time I tried, however, it was…

We have Nearby Share, which is awesome, but doesn't help much if the other person has an iPhone, or you've got a Windows/Linux.

I expect it might be solved in a few years, as long as no Apple products are involved, but for now we're still stuck taking pictures of each other's screens if we need something fast.

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