Meta plans thousands more layoffs as soon as this week • Hacker News Board

Re: Meta plans thousands more layoffs as soon as this week

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Post by mint2 » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 3:58 PM UTC

Overtonwindow wrote: post #215

i67vw3 wrote: post #138

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>Their only bet is to lobby congress to ban tiktok. Good point, the only way for 'Meta' shares to go up and for investors to have some confidence in 'Meta' is by Tiktok being banned in US (and other western countries like EU, Canada etc). Automatically, the advertising money which was to go to Tiktok will go to Instagram (via Reels).

Banning TikTok is such a pointless exercise. So what, it just means that another service will pop up and take its place under a different name. The government can ban it all it wants, but it's not going away. Too simple of an app.

Okay but that’s what the government hopes will happen… They don’t object to TikTok the concept. They object to the PRC having influence or control either real or potential.

Re: Meta plans thousands more layoffs as soon as this week

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Post by muro » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 4:08 PM UTC

JKCalhoun wrote: post #172

shapefrog wrote: post #122

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It takes a certain kind of cold detatchment to hire 5,000-10,000 people to r&d and build the foundation of your next big thing - drain every ounce of life out of them then discard them on the heap a couple of years later.

While I agree with your sentiment, this is a nasty business, I would like to think we also all know the game now. Do people go to work at Facebook[1], Amazon, etc., expecting to still be working there long enough to see their kids graduate and go off to college? [1] I'm still not going to call it "Meta" any more than I am going to call "Star Wars" "Star Wars IV: New Hope".

> Do people go to work at Facebook[1], Amazon, etc., expecting to still be working there long enough to see their kids graduate and go off to college?

Sure, why not?

Re: Meta plans thousands more layoffs as soon as this week

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Post by kjok » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 4:08 PM UTC

jackmott42 wrote: post #159

Back in ~2016 I deleted my Facebook account, because it was a horrible place that brought out the worst in people. A few days ago someone alerted me that my account was live again and posting weight loss scams. So I logged in and changed my password and deleted my account again. Facebook tells you that it will take 30 days to delete your account. This is obviously user hostile bullshit. Meanwhile somehow the scammer…

> Everyone should quit, get ahead of the layoffs, useless company. Your work there makes the world a worse place. You can do better.

This is everything I wanted to say about FB. Always wondered why so many talented folks (with PhDs) choose to work there.

Re: Meta plans thousands more layoffs as soon as this week

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Post by ChatGTP » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 4:08 PM UTC

anthomtb wrote: post #235

ChatGTP wrote: post #136

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Instagram has gotten to the point where I just have absolutely no interest to continue using it. Mostly it feeds me soft porn, and my friends have kind of posted the same things over and over, which has become kind of boring. Food pics, workout pics, whatever. It's gotten to the point where I'm just actually bored with the platform in general, not necessarily the content. Facebook, I just have zero interest in going…

Instagram will feed you more of whatever you are following or tapping. I have noticed that if I don't use Instagram for a few days I end up with generic, lowest-common-denominator videos. Scantily clad females, bar fights, car accidents, etc. But if I start seeking out and watching the stuff I actually like, the feed updates itself within a day or two and I get content that I actually want to watch.

I just can't be bothered seeking out "stuff I like" on Instagram anymore, mostly I've seen it before etc, just feeling like I have better things to do lately.

If I actually want to "watch" something, I open Youtube, seems to me like the content on there is 10x better.

Each to their own.

Re: Meta plans thousands more layoffs as soon as this week

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Post by marcosdumay » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 4:18 PM UTC

klodolph wrote: post #8

I suspect Meta has some efficiency problems. Recipe: 1. Start with a hose that shoots out money. 2. Hire a shitload of engineers, really fast. I'm not surprised that Meta is going through another round of layoffs. The amount of engineering effort that Meta has been spending each year is just off the charts. In that kind of environment, it's easy to lose track of whether you're doing something useful.

Meta has a clear effectivity problem. Recipe:

1. Make everybody hate your main products.

2. Focus all of your innovation in a direction nobody wants.

No amount of efficiency can fix that.

Re: Meta plans thousands more layoffs as soon as this week

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Post by rurp » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 4:18 PM UTC

yodsanklai wrote: post #209

elforce002 wrote: post #132

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On Instagram: they'll discontinue ig live shopping, which is at least some good news. Fb: I've been out of it and the reality is millennials and gen z won't be joining it. They know that. Their only bet is to lobby congress to ban tiktok.

Considering Meta is banned in China, I don't understand why there's even a question about this.

Because copying China isn't a great way to devise policy. China bans many things that are good and should remain protected in the US.

I don't use Tiktok or have a strong opinion on it specifically, but I really disagree with the notion that we should reflexively ban things because China banned something similar first.

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Post by charcircuit » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 4:21 PM UTC

cypress66 wrote: post #129

charcircuit wrote: post #45

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>Facebook on the other hand is left to toy with less stellar and more commercial offerings I'm not sure what your point is when the PS VR2's optics are not as good as Facebook's. The PS VR2 while OLED suffers from mura and brightness issues. The amount of mura is inconsistent and can be pretty bad on some headsets. Since the panels can not get bright enough Sony is leaving the displays on longer which trades off incr…

Are you comparing it to the quest pro? I haven't tried the vr2, but everybody I've seen that tried it said it was better than the index, and much better than the quest 2.

I was comparing it to the quest 2.

>said it was better than the index, and much better than the quest 2.

The Quest 2's optics are much better than the index, both in PPD and in that there is less god rays. There are likely more factors than the optics being considered. Or the OLED black levels are being over valued. How much a person likes the optics is pretty subjective so people are fine to prefer whatever they want.

Re: Meta plans thousands more layoffs as soon as this week

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Post by temende » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 4:22 PM UTC

kjok wrote: post #253

jackmott42 wrote: post #159

Back in ~2016 I deleted my Facebook account, because it was a horrible place that brought out the worst in people. A few days ago someone alerted me that my account was live again and posting weight loss scams. So I logged in and changed my password and deleted my account again. Facebook tells you that it will take 30 days to delete your account. This is obviously user hostile bullshit. Meanwhile somehow the scammer…

> Everyone should quit, get ahead of the layoffs, useless company. Your work there makes the world a worse place. You can do better. This is everything I wanted to say about FB. Always wondered why so many talented folks (with PhDs) choose to work there.

Probably because they pretty consistently had the highest total compensation packages for engineers.

Re: Meta plans thousands more layoffs as soon as this week

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Post by blue039 » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 4:24 PM UTC

naraga wrote: post #231

jackmott42 wrote: post #159

Back in ~2016 I deleted my Facebook account, because it was a horrible place that brought out the worst in people. A few days ago someone alerted me that my account was live again and posting weight loss scams. So I logged in and changed my password and deleted my account again. Facebook tells you that it will take 30 days to delete your account. This is obviously user hostile bullshit. Meanwhile somehow the scammer…

100%. after all the evil they did in the world i dont understand how are they able to retain so much talent working for them. do people dont give a f* about their impact to the world? many shake their heads after someone exposes engineering team working in rusian army configuring Iskanders yet the same people work for facebook that spreads worst dissinfos, sells user data and basically plays parts in genocides.

People have to eat. Maslow's hierarchy of needs and all that.

Fact of the matter is Meta has problems almost no one else has. Acting like people will choose less pay and boring work over interesting work and more pay on a moral basis is a little naive. But I see you apparently have a political axe to grind. Meta is not a morally acceptable place to work I agree. However, if you were offered 350,000 USD to work on something hard like a compiler or a data pipeline designed to ingest petabytes of data I'm sure you'd at least think twice about it. For example, you could work at Meta and use the money they pay to fund organizations you support that run counter to Meta's mission. This all not even mentioning having Meta on your resume is basically a golden ticket to the industry for the rest of your career.

Re: Meta plans thousands more layoffs as soon as this week

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Post by Jordrok » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 4:30 PM UTC

cvhashim04 wrote: post #241

sumtechguy wrote: post #221

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Abstraction costs performance in many cases. But you sometimes want/need that abstraction. But on the other side of that is drop a comment in there how to abstract it if needed but do not abstract it until you need it. And 'updating' that is my favorite playstation game! It seems to be what I do every time I turn it on every few months.

I thought this was Hackernews and people fixed tech inconveniences with random scripts! I’m sure someone on here could hack together something to check for updates and run the update or automate that process with a click from your phone.

I agree, but sadly it's getting harder and harder to do that sort of thing. It seems that almost inevitably, along with those fancy framework abstractions come tighter restrictions on how much the user is allowed to do things which are not explicitly supported by the UI. All in the name of "security", of course.