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Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by mytailorisrich »

louwrentius wrote: post #329
mytailorisrich wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in Europe and at country level public transport will never beat individual transport overall. In specific dense urban environments where cars can be extremely inconvenient (including because all the offices are packed in a few towers all at the same location), yes but again in the general case a bus will never be able to be as convenient as my own vehicle parked right outside my front door. And yes this is a tec…

Trading some convenience for a much better world in every conceivable metric is just more important.

Every conceivable metric except convenience, then... That sounds like a regression to me.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by majewsky »

usrusr wrote: post #121
majewsky wrote: post #56

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Same for Dresden-Leipzig. I usually take the ICE since I have a Bahncard 100. In addition to the real time saved, it also feels a lot faster if you're not stopping every 5 minutes.

And you get a different audience. I'm trying to not go down the Musk road of considering sharing an enclosure with random strangers completely unacceptable (I do actually enjoy that part of public transit, even if individual experiences are hardly ever positives in isolation, the whole, in some ways is so much better than the sum of its parts!), but on trains intended for long distance there's just less of a school b…

You mean 1st class?

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by majewsky »

rusticpenn wrote: post #160
majewsky wrote: post #56

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Same for Dresden-Leipzig. I usually take the ICE since I have a Bahncard 100. In addition to the real time saved, it also feels a lot faster if you're not stopping every 5 minutes.

That's around 450 euros per month right?

It comes out to around 170 euros per month for me because my employer pays for it in lieu of a company car, and I only have to pay income tax and such on it ("geldwerter Vorteil").

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by Evgeny »

enigma20 wrote: post #294
tenthirtyam wrote: post #277

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Polite suggestion: if you can drive in 10 mins you could probably cycle in 20-30 mins depending on details. Although not, I suppose, if 8 of those 10 mins are on high speed autobahn :) When I lived in Rome I cycled everywhere. I was the 2nd fastest on the road for my 13-14km / 35min commute, but it takes time & effort to get fit. Public transport varied from 50 to 100 mins and private car was typically about 45 mins.…

I'm fit (2000-4000km distance per yer, multiple sports). But I would never bike to work/train for longer than 5 minutes. I sweat too much (armpits, feet). And taking spare clothes/shoes, and showering in the office is too much.

There are showers and the locker room where I keep a set of clean work clothes at my work. This is normal for a medium to large company, and some small ones have the same utilities. Copenhagen.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by usrusr »

majewsky wrote: post #332
usrusr wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you get a different audience. I'm trying to not go down the Musk road of considering sharing an enclosure with random strangers completely unacceptable (I do actually enjoy that part of public transit, even if individual experiences are hardly ever positives in isolation, the whole, in some ways is so much better than the sum of its parts!), but on trains intended for long distance there's just less of a school b…

You mean 1st class?

Yeah, nothing fancy, just a simple "contribute a little more money to avoid the worst". That would still be far more in touch than hiding behind car doors.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by gerl1ng »

Aachen wrote: post #78
lispm wrote: post #46

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When I book a train ticket, the regional trains are already included. My local public transport system (HVV) has online & smart phone ticketing for many many years now. A regional operator where the ticket can't be bought online or via a smartphone should be really really rare in Germany by now. Which operator is it, which has no online payment option?

AVV.de, the menu options for ticket buying are "am Automat" and "Vorverkaufstellen" which is a list of physical stores. ...which I guess is why I never looked further and saw they have an app now. Never heard of Naveo before, maybe it was introduced recently? Either way, that looks like it might now be possible! Why did no driver ever mention / did the buses/stations not advertise this before it's ripe for being repl…

Well, you could of course use some tickets from other operators in the same region. In NRW there is the handy eezy NRW[0] ticket system where you just pay the kilometers travelled "how the bird flies". So even the connections that would be expensive otherwise could be cheap.

I use it sometimes for the last bit of my long distance travel if I visit my parents (not directly in VRR region but in Regionalverkehr Münsterland (RMV)). It states that it works for all stops within NRW - which is annoying as one of the busses I could take actually goes to Osnabrück (Niedersachsen) and I cannot use - even though it's actually operated by the NRW regional transit provider.

Overall public transit is / was a mess in germany and 9€ Ticket really was an eye opener on how easy it could be to hop on and off of everything that's moving however you like.

[0] https://www.vrr.de/de/fahrplan-mobilitaet/eezy-vrr/

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by gerl1ng »

Aachen wrote: post #28
ffritz wrote: post #25

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This is correct and to show what that means: Frankfurt to Berlin with a fast ICE: 4 hours, no changes. With regional trains only: 10-14 hours, 3-6 changes. With a car this trip is 5 hours. No one in their right mind would ever do such a trip with regionals only, it is extremely painful. In addition, the chance that one of the connections will be missed is extremely high.

I don't think it's meant to let you replace all car trips you could possibly make with a single 50 euro payment per month. Nobody in their right mind would, yeah. So they just have to pay for the train if they don't want to buy and maintain and fuel a car for such journeys. Myself, I'd never consider going by car between such well-connected cities, I'd have to drive (can't read a book for those 5 hours) and deal with…

I think the game changer of this ticket is to replace the second or third family car. The few occasions that you actually needed more than one car you could now just do with public transport without a lot of hassle.

Question is if the 600€/annum is cheap enough for people to opt for this. But at least many companies are looking into giving the 49€ ticket at a discount - and that is actually desired from the state as the state also gives the company a discount if they do so.

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Post by iamsaitam »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #179
JanSt wrote: post #43

My wife had a daily 45km rail+2km bus trip to work which was 200€ per month. That's massive savings for many people who choose not to drive with cars. Her colleagues drive to work with cars for 2 km trips and ask her whether she does not own a car (we do). Taking the train is a) cheaper b) more relaxed (can read) c) better for the environment d) it's even faster in her case The €49 ticket could give public transporta…

I was in Berlin once as a tourist and I was surprised how bad is the planning of buses. They stop and wait in the station until their time arrives (in the middle of the route), with 20 people on them, wasting everyone's time. That's just incredibly dumb planning. I get that the point is to be more "reliable" and "on time" but what's the point of being accurate if you're so slow?! At some points Google maps suggested…

This rarely happens and it's the right thing to do. Missing the bus because it arrived earlier is a no-no, specially when they're sporadic.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by louwrentius »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #331
louwrentius wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trading some convenience for a much better world in every conceivable metric is just more important.

Every conceivable metric except convenience, then... That sounds like a regression to me.

You know that a ton of people do exactly this: travel to a train station or bus/tram stop and they are fine with it. Lots of people don’t have cars.

You seem to argue in bad faith as I have to point out the obvious to you.

Re: Deutschlandticket for regional bus and rail services to be offered for €49/month

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Post by fatnoah »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #130
JanSt wrote: post #43

My wife had a daily 45km rail+2km bus trip to work which was 200€ per month. That's massive savings for many people who choose not to drive with cars. Her colleagues drive to work with cars for 2 km trips and ask her whether she does not own a car (we do). Taking the train is a) cheaper b) more relaxed (can read) c) better for the environment d) it's even faster in her case The €49 ticket could give public transporta…

I use public transport to go to work. But it's not really convenient. It takes me about 45 minutes to get there. And that's if everything goes well. Half an hour of that is walking (to and from bus stops) and waiting (you should be several minutes early because busses sometimes leave early themselves, but most of the time they are late). So there's not much reading that can be done. Also, try reading while you're wai…

> I use public transport to go to work. But it's not really convenient. It takes me about 45 minutes to get there. And that's if everything goes well. Half an hour of that is walking (to and from bus stops) and waiting (you should be several minutes early because busses sometimes leave early themselves, but most of the time they are late).

Can you provide more details about where you are and the distance involved? I don't understand why you wouldn't simply drive 10 minutes.

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