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Study finds mushrooms magnify memory by boosting nerve growth

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Re: Study finds mushrooms magnify memory by boosting nerve growth

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Post by throw1234651234 »

canadiantim wrote: post #117
goertzen wrote: post #105

The following will out perform every fancy nootropic: Drink as much water as you can. Breathe clean air. Walk. Get as much sleep as you can. Lift something heavy regularly.

Incorrect. This is a fanciful notion quite frankly that is more a romantic idea than anything grounded in reality

What's incorrect? You don't think sleep increases working memory and long term brain health? Exercise doesn't fix everything? Water isn't the best thing to drink? Don't dispute universal givens without strong evidence.

Re: Study finds mushrooms magnify memory by boosting nerve growth

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Post by canadiantim »

throw1234651234 wrote: post #121
canadiantim wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incorrect. This is a fanciful notion quite frankly that is more a romantic idea than anything grounded in reality

What's incorrect? You don't think sleep increases working memory and long term brain health? Exercise doesn't fix everything? Water isn't the best thing to drink? Don't dispute universal givens without strong evidence.

Sleep does increase working memory and long term brain health. Exercise is one of the best things one can do to remain cognitively fit. Water is one of the best all-around things one can do for your health.

But: your claim is that all of these things will out perform every fancy nootropic. This dismisses the entirety of pharmacology effectively... which is quite frankly the citation that needs evidence. There is a lot of nootropics / pharmaceutical drugs / herbs / mushrooms / etc out there. It's simply incorrect to assert that sleep, exercise and water are more effective than the intelligent use of some of these things. I get your overall point and I appreciate it and believe a lot of it, but I just think you're wrong in how heavily you assert it.

Re: Study finds mushrooms magnify memory by boosting nerve growth

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Post by throw1234651234 »

canadiantim wrote: post #122
throw1234651234 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's incorrect? You don't think sleep increases working memory and long term brain health? Exercise doesn't fix everything? Water isn't the best thing to drink? Don't dispute universal givens without strong evidence.

Sleep does increase working memory and long term brain health. Exercise is one of the best things one can do to remain cognitively fit. Water is one of the best all-around things one can do for your health. But: your claim is that all of these things will out perform every fancy nootropic. This dismisses the entirety of pharmacology effectively... which is quite frankly the citation that needs evidence. There is a lo…

I am a different person than root, just calling it out though our views are the same and we might as well be the same for practical discussion reasons. Anyway, your statement above is reasonable. I personally find all nootropics to be absolutely useless, except uppers - coffee, energy drinks, etc. They work, but there is a heavy cost afterward. I am very interested in this topic and have read everything from military research to micro-dosing bros in the valley, and I haven't found anything that is remotely effective in improving memory / brain activity / focus. Again, Adderral gets grouped with "effective, but side effects too costly".

The benefit of the things listed above is that there is absolutely no downside other than time.

Edit: If you have an example of something that you consider effective, definitely list it please.

Re: Study finds mushrooms magnify memory by boosting nerve growth

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Post by red-iron-pine »

antegamisou wrote: post #72
frizkie wrote: post #70

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You mean you found the person who approaches bold claims with an appropriate amount of skepticism in a world increasingly inundated with hyperbolic or even outright misleading headlines? And then goes the extra mile to share their findings and constructively communicate their concerns to others who might also be subjected to the same hyperbole? Yep, found them.

This place has become even worse than Reddit as karma farming goes…

Yeah I've noticed a serious uptick in the past ~2 years of bots and blatant shilling.

HN is arguably not as popular as reddit, but also not as complex, so smaller efforts to game the system work better.

Re: Study finds mushrooms magnify memory by boosting nerve growth

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Post by yonaguska »

lambdaba wrote: post #119
mtkhaos wrote: post #116

Just throwing this out there as a neurodegenerative in remission. It's not the main reason why. But I can definitely tell when I haven't taken my Lion's mane caps that morning. This after years of elimination, trial and error out the necessity survival. It's worth a human trial once we can actually measure the effects.

can you say more about your experience? what issues did you have and what else are you doing/have tried?

I can speak about my experience, as someone that's ADHD, and has poor memory. I combined it with bacopa monnieri. My working memory feels like it's gotten a ton better. It took a few weeks for me to realize effects. I was no longer constantly forgetting things, able to manage more while coding, and able to participate a whole lot more during work meetings, as I could actually recall things more readily. I would say that this is just placebo, except that my wife also noticed that I was not constantly forgetting everything. With the concerta shortage hitting my area, I actually stopped taking my stimulants for about 2 months, and while my hyper active tendencies didn't go away, I was able to still perform at work. Having a better working memory made context switching much less expensive. I no longer feel dependent on my meds, and only take them when I know I'll be driving for long periods of time, as they do make me a safer driver.

Side effects Occasional headaches for the first two weeks, this was fixed by ensuring that I had enough magnesium in my system. Also, if you're taking capsules, start out with half the daily dose for a few weeks. Also, a noticeable decrease in sex drive. I think it comes back after a few weeks though. Maca root also counters this- if you see this as a problem.

Also, I will say that no supplement beats out good sleeping habits, diet, and exercise, so your mileage may vary and that's where I would personally start.

Re: Study finds mushrooms magnify memory by boosting nerve growth

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

prepend wrote: post #103
SkyMarshal wrote: post #19

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You can eat all the cordyceps you want until global warming causes it to mutate to be able to survive human body temperatures. We’ve probably still got a few decades before then.

And has them evolve to get around an immune system. That’s probably as big of a barrier as their operating temperature range.

Also it's not like the earth hasn't had hotter periods of history (since fungi evolution) and doesn't have hot regions in which fungi could have already evolved higher body heat/environmental temperature tolerance. There are likely strong biological constraints and trade-offs for why fungi have stuck to their niches.

Also a human brain with complex higher functions is remarkable different from an ant brain. It's likely that a "brain manipulating fungus" attacking a complex mammalian brain would simply cause organism to malfunction and die or cause intense disorganized mental illness rather than any organized behavioural patterns.

Re: Study finds mushrooms magnify memory by boosting nerve growth

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Post by wil421 »

jamiecurle wrote: post #68

This ̶m̶u̶s̶h̶r̶o̶o̶m̶ ̶ fungi is easy enough to grow and cultivate yourself[2][3] - IF - you have time for such shenanigans. I did this last year through summer and autumn in my garage. I'm making no claims about effects or health benefits, but it is tasty and I managed to grow it on a number of substrates (including waste such as brown cardboard and coffee grounds). If you're in the UK (as I am)and you see it wild,…

Why is lions mane legally protected? It grows all over my backyard in the fall and it is legal to forage in my state/area.

Re: Study finds mushrooms magnify memory by boosting nerve growth

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Post by alfor »

ramraj07 wrote: post #44
Anon4Now wrote: post #15

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If only I were a mouse. With all the research papers I've seen on HN over the years, I'm pretty sure I could live to be 200.

Remember that all of this research is done on mouse strains in highly controlled lab environments. Many of these results won’t even apply to other strains from what they were tested leave alone mice in the wild. PS: strains means stable inbred clone producing animals.

Lab mice have unnatural long telomeres.

That make them far more resistant to damaging pharma (lot’s of cell repair)

The downside is they all die of cancer (telomere length is a stop to cell replication)

Re: Study finds mushrooms magnify memory by boosting nerve growth

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Post by the_sleaze9 »

peanuty1 wrote: post #108
goertzen wrote: post #105

The following will out perform every fancy nootropic: Drink as much water as you can. Breathe clean air. Walk. Get as much sleep as you can. Lift something heavy regularly.

Except there is such thing as drinking too much water.

Let's add "Everything in moderation" to the end of the wholesome anti-aging routine
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