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Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by sillybov3456 »

midoridensha wrote: post #19
bzhang255 wrote: post #15

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> They should lay off 100% and go out of business. Suggesting that 9000 people lose their jobs feels like a needlessly hateful way to express a dissatisfaction with a company's products.

Maybe they should work someplace better. It's like people saying the American automakers should have been bailed out just to save all the jobs: if those companies had been left to die, other automakers would have taken over their marketshare and expanded operations, hiring the unemployed workers and probably buying up a lot of factories, support companies, etc. Keeping a shitty company alive with bad management in pl…

The other point of view is that the industry would have been entirely off shored. I think this is particularly a concern in tech, where US workers are notably spoiled even in comparison to the rest of the US. That wasn't the case with the auto workers to the same extent and so people were more sympathetic.

I'd imagine everybody in tech gets told to fuck off pretty rudely if it ever gets to the point of bailouts, so the good news is that your concern is unfounded.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by killjoywashere »

re-thc wrote: post #107
heisenbit wrote: post #87

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If you have good developer providing honest estimates, no data protection concerns and they diligently provide actuals agile tooling like in Jira can provide great results. But that all depends on culture. The poster seems to be an engaged manager, pays attention to the data and uses it in a sane way and has hired a group of strong developers. This is not your average setup…

It's hard to tell. How does someone truly know if the estimates are honest? It's more like the manager "assumes" it's right and fine.

The manager does not assume. OKRs are made or not. The delta is measured. Repeat.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by SecretDreams »

onion2k wrote: post #29
bydlocoder wrote: post #18

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It will be a blood bath. Postman "Labs", a company that produces a glorified cURL UI and some incoherent most likely useless tools around it received $433M investment at valuation of $2B and apparently has hundreds of employees. Current state of tech is not sustainable.

As always you have to remember that the public UI of a SaaS business is rarely telling the whole story about why the headcount is what it is, and without significantly deeper knowledge of everything the business is doing, including future products in development , it's really hard to say if there are too many people or not. Most engineers are not in a business to support the day to day running of an app. They're ther…

> This is why you can do an Elon and fire 75% of the staff without something collapsing immediately.

It is to be determined if "doing an Elon" will work out for Twitter in even the short term. Give Twitter 1-2 years of "doing an Elon" before we judge the success of this approach.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by parimal7 »

edanm wrote: post #104
twblalock wrote: post #26

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9000 people who make products that suck should do something else with their lives. Does that mean they will lose their jobs? Yes. It's still the best outcome for the world and those people will get other jobs, hopefully making better products.

> 9000 people who make products that suck should do something else with their lives. So you not liking some products isn't just grounds for you not using a product, isn't just grounds for telling other people not to use the product, it's grounds for everyone working at the company that makes that product , related to it or not, to be fired. That's one hell of a leap from your opinion to ideas about what's best for th…

I can no longer tell the difference between most HN and Reddit comments. Shallow, hateful and opinionated.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by cjrp »

metaphor wrote: post #109

Probably not a good image that Scott[1] and Mike[2] (via their respective trusts) have been quite busy liquidating 1,076,750 shares each into the public at a rate of 8,614 shares per trading day since the beginning of October last year...all the while laying off 5% of their workforce. Something about leaders eating last comes to mind... [1] https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=0001666121 [2] https://www.sec.gov/edga…

About $1.5m/trading day, at current prices.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by asjkaehauisa »

chemmail wrote: post #36
thexumaker wrote: post #9

They’ve been a bit over bloated for a while and honestly too many better alternatives out there

What? Name one product better than JIRA.

You're right. Companies still use and will continue to use jira whether hn's people like it or not

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Post by andrekandre »

doctor_eval wrote: post #119
chemmail wrote: post #36

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What? Name one product better than JIRA.

That’s a joke, right? Right?

jira is a product that i'd describe as "best of the worst"... i'm totally open to a better ticketing system but they all seem to suck in one way or another...

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by tyingq »

sillybov3456 wrote: post #132
tyingq wrote: post #116

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They did recently kill off their option to run on-prem, so that probably reduces the support burden.

It also massively reduces their potential customer base in all the industries that are typically more resilient to recession.

True, though I know of stodgy places that are staying with Jira despite having to move from on-prem to Saas. The on-prem part is part of why they pick things like Jira. But I think the overly-customizable workflow/customization is a bigger driver.

Re: Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers

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Post by andrekandre »

onethought wrote: post #52
harry8 wrote: post #43

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>... I really don't get the hatred. The hatred pretty much comes directly from the fact that as developers we are not the customer, just the user. What do developers want? Not to wait for flipping ever on every damn mouse click. To be as fast and minimal as possible. Stay out of the way so I can get work done. What does the customer (the person who selects the product and signs away company $ for it) To "manage" deve…

> What do developers want? Linear (linear.app)

hmm this product looks pretty good, and it even has a native-ish mac app (i really dislike having to use jira in a browser and juggle even more tabs)

https://linear.app/

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