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Elementary schoolers prove EpiPens become toxic in space

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Re: Elementary schoolers prove EpiPens become toxic in space

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Epinephrine goes bad on earth too. Its not a very stable molecule.

Do you know, does that turn into benzoic acid on the ground too, or does it need those high-energy rays to convince them? (ie should old epipens be considered potentially dangerous due to benzoic acid)

Also, do you know how fast it goes bad (on the ground)? The pens have a best-before-date of about a year, often less, and I've always thought that was a method of increasing sales.

Re: Elementary schoolers prove EpiPens become toxic in space

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post #7
post #3

1. They didn't go into space. They went on a high altitude balloon. 2. If this were actually true, people's epipens would be getting destroyed in transport whenever people fly on aircraft. There's even cosmic radiation on the ground. 3. Maybe don't automatically trust elementary schoolers to do good science.

I think you're being a little bit hard on them... There's no single definition of what we consider space. Some types of high-altitude balloons can easily take you to the edge of what most people consider space, which is at 100km above sea level. Or around ten times the distance from earth than your average commercial airplane. You're making a lot of assumptions on your second point. How do you know that EpiPens won't…

100,000 ft is common for a high altitude balloon, but 100km is too high. The world record for an uncrewed balloon is around 50km.

https://www.space.com/41791-giant-nasa-balloon-big-60-breaks... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_altitude_record#Uncrewe...

Re: Elementary schoolers prove EpiPens become toxic in space

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post #3

1. They didn't go into space. They went on a high altitude balloon. 2. If this were actually true, people's epipens would be getting destroyed in transport whenever people fly on aircraft. There's even cosmic radiation on the ground. 3. Maybe don't automatically trust elementary schoolers to do good science.

Are you sure the problem isn’t that the reporting was also done by elementary schoolers?

Re: Elementary schoolers prove EpiPens become toxic in space

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post #11
post #8

Epinephrine goes bad on earth too. Its not a very stable molecule.

Do you know, does that turn into benzoic acid on the ground too, or does it need those high-energy rays to convince them? (ie should old epipens be considered potentially dangerous due to benzoic acid) Also, do you know how fast it goes bad (on the ground)? The pens have a best-before-date of about a year, often less, and I've always thought that was a method of increasing sales.

You'd rather ask a stranger on an Internet forum than trust the information on the packaging of your medicine? And still use that medicine?

Re: Elementary schoolers prove EpiPens become toxic in space

#15
post #2

The article quotes seem inconsistent: "University of Ottawa tested the samples and found that only 87% contained pure epinephrine, while the other 13% had been 'transformed into extremely poisonous benzoic acid derivatives'" against "In fact, no epinephrine was found in the 'after' EpiPen solution samples" If it's the former, you probably want to use a different EpiPen if you have a choice, but it might still save yo…

The quotes are about different experimental conditions: 1) pure epinephrine (which returned only 87% pure) and 2) EpiPen solution (which starts out with less than 100% epinephrine and apparently returned with an amount below the detection threshold)

Probably some other ingredient of the EpiPen solution reacted with the epinephrine, causing it to degrade faster than the pure stuff.

Re: Elementary schoolers prove EpiPens become toxic in space

#17

Looks like the ISS crews could be in trouble if there is an invasion of space bees.

I’m sure the lawyers are already salivating at the class-action suit as this proves they weren’t properly protected from the space bees.

Re: Elementary schoolers prove EpiPens become toxic in space

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post #14
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know, does that turn into benzoic acid on the ground too, or does it need those high-energy rays to convince them? (ie should old epipens be considered potentially dangerous due to benzoic acid) Also, do you know how fast it goes bad (on the ground)? The pens have a best-before-date of about a year, often less, and I've always thought that was a method of increasing sales.

You'd rather ask a stranger on an Internet forum than trust the information on the packaging of your medicine? And still use that medicine?

Most medicine is efficacious long after it’s use by date

Re: Elementary schoolers prove EpiPens become toxic in space

#19
post #7
post #3

1. They didn't go into space. They went on a high altitude balloon. 2. If this were actually true, people's epipens would be getting destroyed in transport whenever people fly on aircraft. There's even cosmic radiation on the ground. 3. Maybe don't automatically trust elementary schoolers to do good science.

I think you're being a little bit hard on them... There's no single definition of what we consider space. Some types of high-altitude balloons can easily take you to the edge of what most people consider space, which is at 100km above sea level. Or around ten times the distance from earth than your average commercial airplane. You're making a lot of assumptions on your second point. How do you know that EpiPens won't…

Evidence against Epi-Pens degrading when flying: Planes often have onboard Epi-Pens that go through thousands of flights and still work.

Re: Elementary schoolers prove EpiPens become toxic in space

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post #18
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd rather ask a stranger on an Internet forum than trust the information on the packaging of your medicine? And still use that medicine?

Most medicine is efficacious long after it’s use by date

79.5% of statistics is false. (82.9% on the Internet.)
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