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What you have described is an “artist’s impression” diagram but not how it works IRL. Having physical SIM removes the requirement of the entire phone having to be a certified malware proof secure device, which is hard and a bit anti-consumer.
Just imagine how nice things could be if physical SIM also doubled as a trust enclave for all your TFA etc needs that could be easily transferred to a new device, survive through OS reinstalls and so on.
Qualcomm wants to replace eSIMs with iSIMs, has the first certified SoC
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Re: Qualcomm wants to replace eSIMs with iSIMs, has the first certified SoC
#112This seems like an inevitability; since eSIMs are already here, and manufacturers are going to be thrilled to have fewer moving parts. But it’s disappointing all round. I absolutely love how easy it is for me to buy a new phone, swap in my old SIM and I’m instantly using my old number. As painful as transferring everything else is with new phones, at least I easily keep the same number. With this (and I’d guess with…
> "But it’s disappointing all round. I absolutely love how easy it is for me to buy a new phone, swap in my old SIM and I’m instantly using my old number." In theory, with an eSIM it's even easier to swap in your old SIM because you don't have to deal with the physical SIM card. Especially so if you don't have the physical SIM because it's lost or whatever. In my experience it's super frustrating to have to wait for…
My experience with this was very disappointing. I decided to buy an eSIM at the airport while my friend opted for a physical SIM. He was done in 30 seconds, meanwhile I was struggling to find an open Wi-Fi network since provisioning apparently requires internet access. Then my device took almost 5 minutes "setting up" before I was online. Until an eSIM can be provisioned without internet access I don't see how it's a better experience than a physical SIM.
Re: Qualcomm wants to replace eSIMs with iSIMs, has the first certified SoC
#113If I understand it correctly, it's not possible to switch esim to another phone in two scenarious: - dead battery in the current esim holder phone - no internet - crashed or somehow broken esim holder phone The worst thing is that it probably won't be even possible to buy anything since banks tend to tie 2nd payment factor to phone (notifications) or sms. Complete lock up is very possible. I won't use esim as much as…
Re: Qualcomm wants to replace eSIMs with iSIMs, has the first certified SoC
#114This looks like paid Qualcomm PR, for the following reason. From the article, it looks a lot like Qualcomm trying to coopt the eSIM success now a few years old, by saying the electronics of iSIM are a custom block in their silicon, not a separate small chip. But it doesn't clarify that others (like Apple obviously) can't realize their eSIMs in their custom SOC, as far as i see. > Qualcomm says "the new iSIM is fully…
I haven't gone into the details but certification is a major undertaking. So yes the logical functionality of what goes into an eSIM may be almost identical to that of an iSIM but integrating that same logic into an SoC means a whole new certification process. In particular certification will consider resistance to physical attacks and the hardening employed will be effected by the SoC integration. You need to bury critical nets deep in the metal stack to help defeat probing attacks and add detectors for intrusions. Integrating these across the whole SoC could be a particular challenge so work may required to apply them only across the chip area used by the iSIM. New design work was likely required for the on-chip interfacing between the iSIM and the rest of the SoC, again needing to ensure it complied with certification requirements.
I don't think it's fair to describe this as a mere PR piece. Significant work will have been required by backend engineers to integrate the iSIM so it's suitable for certification plus all the work required to generate the collateral for certification.
Qualcomm haven't created a whole new piece of technology here but this doesn't mean integrating the existing technology wasn't a major amount of work and a milestone worth publicising (especially as it is the first instance of this).
Re: Qualcomm wants to replace eSIMs with iSIMs, has the first certified SoC
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is that the French SIM companies put all kind of artificial limitations on esim so they could keep their marketshare and continue earning money on licensing and patents
It's not only french companies producing them and the entities who are involved in pushing SIM replacements aren't as interested in mundane things such as marketshare, money etc. as you might think. Don't forget this one for example: https://theintercept.com/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/ I don't think the french abuse their SIM-powerposition, otherwise they would not force states like Palestine into using weaker encryp…
If you ever worked in telecom, you know for the fact that the SIM companies have sabotaged and vetoed every attempt to get a sane eSIM or SIM-free standard.
And nothing against the French :) , it just happens that the two largest and most agreesive companies in this area have French connections (Thales and Gemalto)
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#116Re: Qualcomm wants to replace eSIMs with iSIMs, has the first certified SoC
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> "But it’s disappointing all round. I absolutely love how easy it is for me to buy a new phone, swap in my old SIM and I’m instantly using my old number." In theory, with an eSIM it's even easier to swap in your old SIM because you don't have to deal with the physical SIM card. Especially so if you don't have the physical SIM because it's lost or whatever. In my experience it's super frustrating to have to wait for…
I have two sims in my phone, neither carrier even supports eSIMs yet. The technology is extremely slow to roll out around the world for some reason.
I think this is because it's common for them to offer "data only" SIMs which have far lower rates than data on a SIM card which can do both data and voice. Typically these data only SIMs are made available just for mobile WiFi hotspots. My suspicion is that not generally offering eSIMs is about protecting this business practice.
I don't know anyone who likes any of the mobile companies here, people just use whoever they feel is the least intolerable.
Re: Qualcomm wants to replace eSIMs with iSIMs, has the first certified SoC
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "But it’s disappointing all round. I absolutely love how easy it is for me to buy a new phone, swap in my old SIM and I’m instantly using my old number." In theory, with an eSIM it's even easier to swap in your old SIM because you don't have to deal with the physical SIM card. Especially so if you don't have the physical SIM because it's lost or whatever. In my experience it's super frustrating to have to wait for…
> eSIMs are a massive win when travelling, too My experience with this was very disappointing. I decided to buy an eSIM at the airport while my friend opted for a physical SIM. He was done in 30 seconds, meanwhile I was struggling to find an open Wi-Fi network since provisioning apparently requires internet access. Then my device took almost 5 minutes "setting up" before I was online. Until an eSIM can be provisioned…
But until then, I'm avoiding eSIMs entirely. I used to have a CDMA Verizon iPhone back in the day, and every time I switched to or from it (it eventually became my backup phone) I had to call Verizon to beg them to move my number between phones. Slow, annoying, and error-prone: I ended up with no usable phone more than once.
And now a lot of carriers are charging $15-30 "activation fees" in the US every time you set up an eSIM on a phone. No thank you.
Re: Qualcomm wants to replace eSIMs with iSIMs, has the first certified SoC
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Because it's in software, they can legally disable your phone and force you to buy a new phone every 3 year citing "security patches no longer being issued". Bye bye aftermarket firmware second life !
What do you think would stop them from doing this to a phone using a physical SIM card? I don’t see how an eSIM makes a difference in this scenario.
But with a software-based solution, they can argue that due to the lack of updates your device is now vulnerable and your SIM can be cloned, spoofed and so you should get rid of it.
With a physical SIM those hacks are not possible even if I'm on a 20 yr old dumb-phone, because all the auth logic resides in the SIM itself.
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eSIM is good when the carrier does a good job of it, but it's terrible when the carrier does a bad job. There are carriers where any change to eSIM must be called in and you have to talk to a rep, where it takes hours to issue, etc. Basically we're going back to the USA-style CDMA days where the carrier is in full control of your experience, which worries me. I agree they're great for the use case of just buying a tr…
> There are carriers where any change to eSIM must be called in and you have to talk to a rep, where it takes hours to issue, etc. There's also now the option to just keep your primary phone number on a cheap plan, and have multiple other eSIMs for data usage. There's no longer the problem with having to contact a carrier to switch data plans if used in this way. Though, hopefully in time they will improve the experi…
What exactly did eSIM enable here? With dual SIM phones, you can even put one data SIM and one number SIM in a single phone at the same time. Plus it's simple and easy to move either SIM to any other SIM-compatible device at any time.