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Is My MacBook Pro Always Listening?

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Re: Is My MacBook Pro Always Listening?

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If you are really worried about this, I recommend surgery. I used to have this Windows box at work that would always make sounds for no reason, even though the sound was muted. The solution was to open it up and physically disconnect the speaker. Never made a sound again. If you don't want your computer to be used as a listening device, first try adjusting your tinfoil hat. If you're still worried, open it up and rem…

> There. Now you just have to worry about the bugs the Agents put all over your house. Physical bugs are expensive. Malware is cheap.

If you're after a specific individual, a far better target than their computer would be their cell phone. Computers are complex and stationary. Cell phones are eminently more susceptible to this type of attack because the government can compel carriers to use technology that is already in place. No malware package required.

Working in telecom was enlightening for me. There's a feature called "executive barge in" that pops up from time to time when shopping for PBX systems. Executive barge in allows a user with the appropriate rights to open an audio channel to any phone connected to the switch, bypassing the alerting phase. That is to say, the phone never rings; the audio channel just opens. Most systems provide some sort of brief alert tone, but this is entirely implementation based. There's nothing implicit about opening a channel that would require a tone.

All digital phone systems have the ability to implement a feature like this. Cell phones are digital phones. With old analog (POTS) phones, when the phone was "on hook", there was a physical change in the connection of the copper pairs. In modern phone systems on-hook/off-hook is just a software state. There is no physical difference. Opening an audio channel is a distinct event, completely separate from the alerting signal [1] in common cell phone protocols.

The bottom line is that if you're really concerned that someone is listening in, you should watch the horrible movie "RED" and imitate John Malkovich's character the best you can.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54495209/UMTS-3G-WCDMA-Call-Flows

Re: Is My MacBook Pro Always Listening?

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> especially the average Mac user to secure their machine’s audio input in the first place.

The average user of any machine doesn't need to worry about this. Much ado about nothing.

Re: Is My MacBook Pro Always Listening?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 13 inch Macbook Pro, just like the Air, does not have a dedicated audio input. It's one of those mobile phone headphone/microphone combo jacks.

Hold down option and click the volume icon in the menu bar, select "Use Audio Port for: Input"

The ability to switch between input and output suggests it's not a dedicated input port.

Re: Is My MacBook Pro Always Listening?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He even gets basic facts incorrect. The author assumes his Macbook Pro doesn't have a dedicated audio input. It does. Every Macbook Pro does. (The Macbook Air is the only Mac shipping without a built-in audio input). Really, what I see is a software update that fixes a user interface bug. System Preferences no longer offers disconnected audio inputs as a selectable option, because it's just plain smarter that way. Co…

so despiteall that, when you are using the prefs screen and turn the input volume theway cown, it should not register any input right? Thenwhy does it? thas not nothing.

Sounds like a bug. I can't reproduce it on my Air, and it appears other commenters have difficulty reproducing it as well. The OP/commenters experiencing the issue should probably file a Radar.

Re: Is My MacBook Pro Always Listening?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He even gets basic facts incorrect. The author assumes his Macbook Pro doesn't have a dedicated audio input. It does. Every Macbook Pro does. (The Macbook Air is the only Mac shipping without a built-in audio input). Really, what I see is a software update that fixes a user interface bug. System Preferences no longer offers disconnected audio inputs as a selectable option, because it's just plain smarter that way. Co…

The 13 inch Macbook Pro, just like the Air, does not have a dedicated audio input. It's one of those mobile phone headphone/microphone combo jacks.

The Macbook Air does not have a combo port (currently). Just a headphone jack. I used dedicated to mean "includes specific hardware to handle this use case". Sorry for the ambiguity.

The consumer product line continues to have fewer fine-grained controls than Pro products, so nothing has really changed here.

Re: Is My MacBook Pro Always Listening?

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Though this is a bit foil-hat for most people it can be a real privacy concern. Can your mac be used to secretly spy on you? Absolutely. Has apple done this before to their customers? 100% (and so have others) see carrier IQ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarrierIQ

If something like this bothers you theres no reason you should be using any closed source software at all.

It's that easy. If you're concerned about your privacy and system integrity don't use any software from a source you don't personally trust and that can't be reviewed by a third party.

Re: Is My MacBook Pro Always Listening?

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Every microphone in every powered device must be considered as listening if you are serious about security at all. So what if the panel actually even disabled the mic preamp on the board? You could have a program/virus/trojan that silently re-enabled it behind your back, without you knowing. So I'd say this is nothing to be concerned about, because every device you own potentially "listens" with its microphones all t…

> "if you're sure your hardware hasn't been tampered with, this should physically disconnect the microphone." Why so? Most soundcards merely detect an impedance change and flick a bit to switch from internal microphone to line-in but you can have full control of that bit by software. That's actually what the prefpane does: even with something plugged in the line in, one can switch back to the internal microphone as a…

You can still insert a barrel jack, this time with 4 rings instead of 3 at which point the microphone is disabled.

For example, Apple headphones for your iPhone can be plugged in and used for that purpose...

Re: Is My MacBook Pro Always Listening?

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If you are really worried about this, I recommend surgery. I used to have this Windows box at work that would always make sounds for no reason, even though the sound was muted. The solution was to open it up and physically disconnect the speaker. Never made a sound again. If you don't want your computer to be used as a listening device, first try adjusting your tinfoil hat. If you're still worried, open it up and rem…

Actually... some ceramic capacitors are piezoelectric [1] and thus could (conceivably) be used as low-fidelity audio sensors. Better rip out all the capacitors too -- just in case. ;-)

That would be one crazy covert communications channel. Wonder if there are any security papers exploring that...?

[1] http://www.kemet.com/kemet/web/homepage/kfbk3.nsf/vaFeedback...

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