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Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by oblio »

fifilura wrote: post #275
tehwebguy wrote: post #271

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It can start with just one but if the dinner is good enough you’ll hit 20 in no time!

Do it! Or the easy way. 1. Find a husband/wife. 2. Get some kids. 3. Get some more kids. 4. Invite some other families with lots of kids now and then. 5. Profit!

> Do it!

> Or the easy way.

> 1. Find a husband/wife. 2. Get some kids. 3. Get some more kids. 4. Invite some other families with lots of kids now and then. 5. Profit!

I think you're mixing up the "easy" and "hard" ways here :-)))

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by stuaxo »

wheels wrote: post #175
RangerScience wrote: post #156

> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some. Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very q…

Not being able to run after 10 would be a pain.

I guess with a timer it could run in the morning and work from home means the day could work.

Totally stops using cheaper energy at night too.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by stuaxo »

Jaxan wrote: post #266
mytailorisrich wrote: post #259

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> Dishes better be done before dinner or else somebody is going to have bad time. Of course but since there are several hours between meals, even if you have to run your dishwasher after each meal the time it takes to run is not critical as long as it's done within that timeframe. Basically, in general it does not matter whether it takes 1 hour or 2 hours.

> Basically, in general it does not matter whether it takes 1 hour or 2 hours The eco mode of our dishwasher takes 4 hours.

I find Eco Mode just doesn't work well enough to make it worth while.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by flippinburgers »

capableweb wrote: post #293
SoftTalker wrote: post #215

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Good lord. I don’t even know 20 people… at least not well enough to have them over for dinner.

People are different, and that's OK :) Some people have 1-2 really close friends, others have 20 friends that they are not that close with but still close enough to meet every week for dinner, but if you want someone to help you hide a body when you accidentally killed someone, you're probably better off with 1-2 really close friends. And also, you can invite anyone over for dinner, that's sometimes how you make acqu…

Well until this as-of-yet unknown person turns you into a body.

I don't have friends.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by flippinburgers »

RangerScience wrote: post #156

> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

Also nobody here appears to know that different places in the world have quite different size expectations for a consumer level dishwasher. In Japan... tiny as can be.

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Post by iso1631 »

Tor3 wrote: post #304
nemo44x wrote: post #82

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Maytag says your wrong: https://www.maytag.com/blog/kitchen/do-dishwashers-use-hot-w... It they were installed wrong. The heating element just helps keep it warm. It won’t make it hot enough.

That's an American thing. Not world-wide. As others have said, outside America the common way is to connect to cold water and use internal heating only.

I wonder if it's because of the inability to draw significant power from an average American power outlet. See also the lack of kettles.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by saiya-jin »

hinkley wrote: post #218
djbusby wrote: post #192

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Commercial kitchen ones, one single tray load, washed in 120s, comes out hot as fire so they air dry quick.

I haven't worked in a kitchen in thirty years, and I can still recall the feel of my skin after even a half shift of working next to one of those dish cleaners. As envious as I am of their speed, I'm absolutely sure I don't want to reproduce that sensation at home.

I've spent 1 summer (in Maine) manning such a dishwasher (Hobart, can't forget that name even after 20 years). Efficiency monster, but you gotta be careful around it. Everything spot clean and steaming hot, it was actually much work around it since plates and cutlery were coming in very fast, and I had to also shelve the results to free up space for trays... a proper sweat shop

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Post by mjaques »

niccl wrote: post #225

These comments seem to make a gloriously meta confirmation of the article's point. The article is saying that engineers (among others) have been known to optimise for the wrong thing. He uses a possibly inappropriate example of faster dishwashers. Then many of the commenters (quite likely engineers) optimise their comments on the thing they know about -- desirability or otherwise of faster dishwashers -- rather than…

Good to know I'm not the only one noticing this.

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Post by late2part »

wheels wrote: post #175
RangerScience wrote: post #156

> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some. Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very q…

the joy of having two dishwashers is rarely overstated.

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Post by LaputanMachine »

soco wrote: post #142
jaclaz wrote: post #122

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I see, I thought there were tens of different models with different features/interfaces/settings/whatever. At least then Bosch is coherent.

I'm sure you are sarcastic here, because I have 4 (four) Bosch kitchen devices which might look similar (a rotating button with little displays left and right) but function WILDLY different - emphasis mine. On one the rotating button can be pushed, the displays are touch sensitive except on one, on one two increment by the touch displays not by rotating, on one the settings are reached by long pressing the info area,…

>And don't start me on the sound signals like the stove complaining it got a drop of water on its sensitive touch buttons placed right next to the pot.

I believe this is actually a safety feature: When a pot boils over and spreads water on the touch panel, both the pot and the touch panel may be too hot to touch, leaving no way to turn off the stove. So, to be on the safe side, the stove turns off and beeps.

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