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Re: New cognitive skills in the age of AI tailored information

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Post by NhanH »

amelius wrote: post #8
NhanH wrote: post #6

I can write a lot of words saying why this blogspam is not backed by actual fact. But a simple demonstration is in order: please go to bing chat and search for "West Ham United latest result". The normal search (either Bing or Google) will give you the failfest against Brighton. While Bing Chat will confidently say "I’m sorry, but I couldn’t find any information about the latest game result for West Ham United". Here…

And your comment is backed only by anecdotal evidence, just saying.

I am not the one making extraordinary speculation. And I am not countering an argument backed with scientific finding, data or statistics, I am disputing one being backed with air. Both the priori (of things staying mostly the same where they were) and evidence (my single anecdote) is on my side, so far.

Re: New cognitive skills in the age of AI tailored information

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Post by apple-sauce »

qsort wrote: post #5

This is similar to the moral panic around Google and Wikipedia. No, people won't stop learning because of chatgpt. Studying and developing critical thinking is more important than ever before. What people miss when they babble stuff like "math is useless" or "literature is useless" or "history is useless" is that those things are not important by themselves, they are important because you are learning models and tool…

But you will have no incentive to learn a model to interpret world, because there will be a ML-based model that computes that for you, much faster with less effort from your side. Some people already doing that with ChatGPT & co. And more will come, because it only exploits our worst evolutionary enemies agains ourselfs. Learning IS hard, let alone critical thinking. Let just ask GPT-3. And then again. And again. More is better, right?

Re: New cognitive skills in the age of AI tailored information

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Post by gwoolhurme »

t344344 wrote: post #13

That is what "Liberal arts education" was before academia become coopted by Marxism. Process information fast, iterate, throw away old models. And it is not about "faking being an expert on field" but finding true experts, and being able to use their skills.

I don't think there is anything Marxist about the current "Liberal Arts Education"... As well as, at least in my observation a lot of people I know who graduated from philosophy, and arts are good critical thinkers. I am not sure this is a fair statement.

Re: New cognitive skills in the age of AI tailored information

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Post by knaik94 »

NhanH wrote: post #6

I can write a lot of words saying why this blogspam is not backed by actual fact. But a simple demonstration is in order: please go to bing chat and search for "West Ham United latest result". The normal search (either Bing or Google) will give you the failfest against Brighton. While Bing Chat will confidently say "I’m sorry, but I couldn’t find any information about the latest game result for West Ham United". Here…

I had a very different experience searching for the same information. It gave me the answer all three times, the first two were on "balanced" and the third was on "precise". Initially I asked it with some context, the same words I would use to do the search myself. It seems pointless to search something I wouldn't do myself. I refreshed and tried your exact query and got a more detailed answer, refreshed and tried again and got the correct complete answer using "precise". The third time included the same links as the second time, I just didn't include them in the picture.

If you prompt it with a better query, you'll get a better response.

The second search it went into much more detail, although I refreshed, it seems like searching the same thing again forces a regenerated longer response.

https://i.imgur.com/CnjCsa6.png

https://i.imgur.com/0ZoapDK.png

https://i.imgur.com/7KH7zIv.png

Re: New cognitive skills in the age of AI tailored information

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Post by Havoc »

I like the point about tailoring output via expert/ELI5 - that hadn't occurred to me and does seem consequential. Excellent.

I'm far more pessimistic on rest though. Excel and calculators definitely didn't improve my mental math.

I also think there is a real risk of cognitive overload. See the whole attention being shot to bits thanks to internet trend - something along those lines but AI flavoured.

Re: New cognitive skills in the age of AI tailored information

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Post by notahacker »

t344344 wrote: post #13

That is what "Liberal arts education" was before academia become coopted by Marxism. Process information fast, iterate, throw away old models. And it is not about "faking being an expert on field" but finding true experts, and being able to use their skills.

Like the critical thinking skills involved in not believing silly propositions like "academia became coopted by Marxism" simply because all your favourite hacks insist it is...

Re: New cognitive skills in the age of AI tailored information

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Post by Idiot_in_Vain »

PostOnce wrote: post #9
zirgs wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't wait for a LLM that can be installed locally and has no stupid restrictions. StableGPT when?

We just need denser RAM.

Why? My Threadripper desktop PC supports a maximum of 1TB RAM and it doesn't take much space at all.

Re: New cognitive skills in the age of AI tailored information

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Post by awestroke »

t344344 wrote: post #13

That is what "Liberal arts education" was before academia become coopted by Marxism. Process information fast, iterate, throw away old models. And it is not about "faking being an expert on field" but finding true experts, and being able to use their skills.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Re: New cognitive skills in the age of AI tailored information

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Post by NhanH »

knaik94 wrote: post #15
NhanH wrote: post #6

I can write a lot of words saying why this blogspam is not backed by actual fact. But a simple demonstration is in order: please go to bing chat and search for "West Ham United latest result". The normal search (either Bing or Google) will give you the failfest against Brighton. While Bing Chat will confidently say "I’m sorry, but I couldn’t find any information about the latest game result for West Ham United". Here…

I had a very different experience searching for the same information. It gave me the answer all three times, the first two were on "balanced" and the third was on "precise". Initially I asked it with some context, the same words I would use to do the search myself. It seems pointless to search something I wouldn't do myself. I refreshed and tried your exact query and got a more detailed answer, refreshed and tried ag…

It does work for me now. It didn’t an hour ago when I posted, and I am certain it didn’t work each day since the Brighton match on Saturday (I was curious when it didn’t work, and intended to track it to see when it will)

Edit: I tried a different query with “laker latest result”. It answers that the latest game was on March 8th (tomorrow), but it couldn’t find the result. So you might want to try it instead

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