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Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by jcampbell1 »

bradleyjg wrote: post #90
krisroadruck wrote: post #31

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You can blame detergent regulations for this. About a decade or so back phosphates were banned from detergents. The problem is that was the thing that made them work really well. In order to compensate for less effective detergents, cycle times have gotten longer. Phosphate detergents are still available in commercial soaps, but I don't recommend skirting the regs here as they had some solid reasoning (algae blooms).…

Aren’t phosphates a critical component of fertilizer? I’d think that’d be a far larger source of runoff than dishwashers.

Removing phosphates from dishwasher detergent was stupid because phosphates are measured in the discharge water from the waste treatment plants where it is regulated, and they can be dealt with chemically. All removing phosphates did was save a tiny amount of money on water treatment. Zero effect on the environment. Total greenwashing like plastic wish-cycling.

If you want zero effort spotless dishes, just mix STPP in a 1:4 ratio with cheap powdered detergent.

https://www.amazon.com/Sodium-Tripolyphosphate-Super-Cleans-...

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by kerpotgh »

eternityforest wrote: post #209
phkahler wrote: post #188

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Imagine a dishwasher that cleans a single dish in a few seconds. You could wash and put away in similar time to loading a regular dishwasher, and capacity would no longer be an issue. Taking something from being a process to being a single step in a process can have huge impact to how we do things and what is possible.

Maybe if you had special laser cleanable dishes? Or semi reusable dishes where you have a very thin bioplastic film that is applied with a machine, thin enough to make cost and environmental concerns less relevant, and then on the bottom you have an air hole. Compressed air up it blows the film off and you start again. Then the same hole is used to vacuum form the new film, while a computer vision camera makes sure e…

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Tor3 »

djbusby wrote: post #192
phkahler wrote: post #188

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Imagine a dishwasher that cleans a single dish in a few seconds. You could wash and put away in similar time to loading a regular dishwasher, and capacity would no longer be an issue. Taking something from being a process to being a single step in a process can have huge impact to how we do things and what is possible.

Commercial kitchen ones, one single tray load, washed in 120s, comes out hot as fire so they air dry quick.

Yes.. I used one when I helped out after a birthday party with 80 guests. Getting the dishes through the washer wasn't the bottleneck.. everything else was slower.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

I'm reading this as I listen to my noisy ass dishwasher in my small apartment running for over an hour now while I'm trying to go to bed.

Yes, I very much wish it ran faster.

It also matters when I have to run 2 loads because I let the dishes pile up.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by poulsbohemian »

goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

>My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave.

You'd hate my LG then - it texts me to tell me it's done.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by ithkuil »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #245

I'm reading this as I listen to my noisy ass dishwasher in my small apartment running for over an hour now while I'm trying to go to bed. Yes, I very much wish it ran faster. It also matters when I have to run 2 loads because I let the dishes pile up.

> Yes, I very much wish it ran faster.

Or more silent.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

> An engineer with no such customer awareness and instead an incessant obsession with optimizing everything that can be optimized, might try to optimize for speed…

Bugger off with that. No one is optimizing anything these days. Please do optimize for speed. Speed is a feature. I don't want to wait for more than 200ms to do anything. In a world where we can render video games at 100 FPS at 4K...yes, I want my websites to load in under a second. And I want my IDE to be responsive. And I want my autocompletes to complete before I've finished typing the whole thing out.

The computer responding to my inputs should never be the bottleneck. It should always be faster than I can think. I hate to stop and wait for 60 seconds twice today as my computer choked while trying to render a chat app. Chat. Really messes up a conversation.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Tor3 »

When my dishwasher still worked I did actually care about the speed. Of course cleanliness is the number one priority, but I also cared a lot about how long it took. Having a dishwasher going chunka-chunka for three hours in the kitchen, which is next to the living room (open solution) is absolutely unacceptable.
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