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The floppy disk just won’t die

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Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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I prefer to retrofit old equipment with more reliable technology. Highly recommend Keir Fraser's Flash Floppy project: https://github.com/keirf/flashfloppy =)

To still be able to read/write floppies proper with modern computers, handling custom formats, the excellent GreaseWeazle, also Keir Fraser's: https://github.com/keirf/greaseweazle

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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There is nothing in the modern hardware ecosystem quite as satisfying as the feeling and sound of a 3.5 inch floppy ka-chunking into a floppy drive. Sure, everything being silent magic these days is nice, but I never felt so in touch with a computer as I did as a child dragging files off a floppy drive and hearing the drive start to buzz and hum. It was like being able to touch the data itself.

I liked the old floppies. They were great for backing up personal data. They were easy to write on and store in special trays. I still haven’t discovered a convenient way to handle flash drives. They are to small to write on, and so I have a pile of them tossed in a box, and I have to search through them to find the right one. Anyone have a good way?

I'm surprised they don't make NFC Floppies that look exactly like a real floppy, but store a few MB you access with NFC. Since everything is mobile first it would be a really nice way to hand someone a PDF, although credit card size is more practical.

It's fast enough for a megabyte or two, and sending a file to someone 5 feet away is still a challenge.

I have not found any good way to keep track of flash either, aside from using fewer and larger ones so it's all in one place.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

#83
post #5

There is nothing in the modern hardware ecosystem quite as satisfying as the feeling and sound of a 3.5 inch floppy ka-chunking into a floppy drive. Sure, everything being silent magic these days is nice, but I never felt so in touch with a computer as I did as a child dragging files off a floppy drive and hearing the drive start to buzz and hum. It was like being able to touch the data itself.

I liked the old floppies. They were great for backing up personal data. They were easy to write on and store in special trays. I still haven’t discovered a convenient way to handle flash drives. They are to small to write on, and so I have a pile of them tossed in a box, and I have to search through them to find the right one. Anyone have a good way?

The idea I just had would be write a number on them. Should be space for two or three digits. Then keep table with contents for each number.

Edit: I guess I haven’t used USB drive in while cause they don’t have place to write. Would have put label sticker on them, or printed label from machine.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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I liked the old floppies. They were great for backing up personal data. They were easy to write on and store in special trays. I still haven’t discovered a convenient way to handle flash drives. They are to small to write on, and so I have a pile of them tossed in a box, and I have to search through them to find the right one. Anyone have a good way?

I'm surprised they don't make NFC Floppies that look exactly like a real floppy, but store a few MB you access with NFC. Since everything is mobile first it would be a really nice way to hand someone a PDF, although credit card size is more practical. It's fast enough for a megabyte or two, and sending a file to someone 5 feet away is still a challenge. I have not found any good way to keep track of flash either, asi…

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Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

#85

One of the things I wonder about in retrospect is why floppy drives remained at a static level of ability for the most part. I mean I know there were the LS120 and such things, but why wasn't there a manufacturer just pushing the tech a bit further? Like why not have a drive made with additional precision and capable of squeezing 3 MB into a floppy? Is there something about the actual media that put a hard limit on h…

I suspect there just wasn't as much interest once CD-Rs and high (ish) speed internet became mainstream.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

#86

One of the things I wonder about in retrospect is why floppy drives remained at a static level of ability for the most part. I mean I know there were the LS120 and such things, but why wasn't there a manufacturer just pushing the tech a bit further? Like why not have a drive made with additional precision and capable of squeezing 3 MB into a floppy? Is there something about the actual media that put a hard limit on h…

I think they were limited by the medium. If there was more capacity, we would have seen bigger sizes. Instead, they jumped to LS120 (SuperDisk) and Zip Disk.

I think tracking was problem, hence the optical tracking SuperDisk. Zip drive was more like hard drive, with rigid platter and cover.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

#87
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There were 2.88" floppy disks, not mainstream. From memory, the home computer market moved quite quickly from cassettes to floppy disks (mid 80s). Everybody then used floppy disks either as primary storage or as a way to install software to hard disks (late 80s), increasingly so until we got CD-ROMs. They became the primary software distribution media (early 90s). That was 650 MB vs 1.44, game over. We had CD burners…

Yeah, but I recall that in the CD era, there were attempts to push the envelope. Like I do recall you could get 800 and even 900MB CDs and write past the normal end on standard CDs, because people figured that you can squeeze things a bit tighter and cut the corners a bit more here and there, and with the right drives that worked. I'm wondering why they didn't do that with floppy drives. It was definitely a thing on…

Most floppy drives were like that. I mostly formatted my nominally 1.44MB disks to 1.72MB (the "unformatted capacity" is 2MB). It worked so reliably on different drives that Microsoft distributed software on disks formatted this way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_Media_Format (it says there that they were harder to copy, but that's not my experience, and MS operating systems supported them directly from about the mid 1990s).

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

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There is nothing in the modern hardware ecosystem quite as satisfying as the feeling and sound of a 3.5 inch floppy ka-chunking into a floppy drive. Sure, everything being silent magic these days is nice, but I never felt so in touch with a computer as I did as a child dragging files off a floppy drive and hearing the drive start to buzz and hum. It was like being able to touch the data itself.

The Apple Pay bell sound is the most satisfying modern sound. It also makes use of the vibration motor to make it feel like an actual bell has been struck in your phone

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

#89
post #72

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The speakers buzzing just before getting a SMS text is the closest I’ve gotten to predicting the future.

Speaking of that... Why did that go away? Less 3g? Moore speakers with better insulation?

TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access) isn't a thing anymore.

Re: The floppy disk just won’t die

#90

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The obsolete format I’ve most recently gotten into is VHS tape. Used decks go for $10 or $20 at our reuse center, you can buy prerecorded tapes for 50 cents. If a deck fails or a tape gets pulled you won’t feel so bad. Decks from 2000 or so are solidly better than they were in the 1980s, particularly they all support HiFi sound which is excellent. The quality is not so good as a DVD or Blu-Ray but a good movie on VHS…

Getting the best quality out of VHS is a rabbit hole I went down last year. There are a couple movies that I have that weren't released in any format besides VHS and I spent quite a lot of time trying to get the best quality digital copy I could. There are a dozen or so (mostly s-vhs jvc) models that have circuitry to stabilize the images and they start at $300 on ebay.

You got me. What are the movies?
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