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Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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There's a touch of irony that TFA leads with the obscure, unexplained acronym "JTBD framework". Jobs-to-be-Done: A Framework for Customer Needs [ https://jobs-to-be-done.com/jobs-to-be-done-a-framework-for-... ]

An additional layer of irony is that your comment leads with an obscure unexplained acronym "TFA".

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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While I agree with the author that engineers tend not to solve customer problems, but technical ones, what I was hoping he would get to is how to actually go about finding problems to solve in the first place.

In my personal journey, this has become the most difficult point in doing any sort of side project development. Sure, I can build prototypes, but for who? And why?

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Good for your wife and I hope you have some snappy retort. Then, again... Imagine if someone here said something similar about some dysfunctional piece of equipment: Designed by a woman! Either both of these made-in-jest sayings should be accepted - which is fine by me - or neither of them. Have a look at the way men are portrayed in commercials to see how far this imbalance has gone: Men are smelly badly-dressed clu…

You are over-thinking this. My wife's remark was almost invariably directed at goods and machines that were either aimed specifically at women or roles where women are overrepresented or at things the design of which clearly had not involved thinking that women would use them. One classic example of the latter is car seatbelts and other safety features of cars. Examples of the former abound in the kitchen which in mo…

It's still casual sexism though, because being bad at market research and design isn't an integral feature of being a man. It's like if you said Theranos failed "because it was led by a woman".

Which is not to say your wife is an awful person or anything, casual sexism is common and often goes unrecognized. But it's good to call it out when you do see it.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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I have a small counter-top dishwasher. It gets water by hooking hoses to the sink's faucet. When it is in use, the faucet is unavailable for something like two hours. It is better than having to do all the dishes by hand. But we have to make sure we've done things like refil the water pitcher before running the dishwasher. And there's only so much hot water in the hot water heater before it runs out, so we need to ma…

Why is it using water the whole 2 hours? Doesn't it recirculating it for a while with a pump? Can you get one that does?

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Imagine a dishwasher that cleans a single dish in a few seconds. You could wash and put away in similar time to loading a regular dishwasher, and capacity would no longer be an issue. Taking something from being a process to being a single step in a process can have huge impact to how we do things and what is possible.

Commercial kitchen ones, one single tray load, washed in 120s, comes out hot as fire so they air dry quick.

Came here to say this. I worked a lot in commercial kitchens as a dishwasher during college time and I love the commercial dishwashers. Super solid, superfast, super high powered, mostly super effective except for the really really greasy stains on plates or where you need to scrub some slow cooking trays or pots. I’ve always wanted to buy one from my house. From what I remember we have three cycles: a 60 second a 90 seconds and a 120 second cycle and all pretty effective. Most of the cafés I worked in (coffee, sandwiches and baked snacks mostly) basically just use 60 second cycles.

That was 20 years ago though, so maybe the tech has changed by now!

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

#206
Sorry this is way too narrow a viewpoint it doesn't actually relate to users and is literally proven false by countless people buying endless parades of goods they don't need.

People don't buy what they need, they think they need, they buy what they want, what they can, what others influence them to, etc... I.E. it is complex to tell what the market will bare out.

And for the record, I would be a lot more for a dishwasher that actually dries my dishes, you know with heat, like they use to, and does it quickly. Instead of spraying a chemical on them to make them dry, and it still taking ages.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Imagine a dishwasher that cleans a single dish in a few seconds. You could wash and put away in similar time to loading a regular dishwasher, and capacity would no longer be an issue. Taking something from being a process to being a single step in a process can have huge impact to how we do things and what is possible.

Commercial kitchen ones, one single tray load, washed in 120s, comes out hot as fire so they air dry quick.

Wow, that breaks back some sense memories (scalding hot water that actually felt kind of good) from a Hobart dishwasher of this type I used many years ago.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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From the manual Cycle Completion Signal The cycle completion signal alerts you when a cycle completes and the dishwasher has washed and dried the dishes. You can choose to disable the tone or adjust the volume. NOTE: The unit must be powered OFF before activating. To activate: • Press and hold the right "Cancel Reset" button then press and hold the ON/OFF button. • When the light on the "Cancel Reset" button you are…

It's the oldest trope since BBS's, if you want free expert information how to do something, just go on any forum and say it wrong, and 20 neckbeards will step all over each other to provide the most correct most efficient most elegant directions. I'm guilty myself. It's a fine tradition I have no problem with. ;)

I see nothing wrong with this. Most people are hardwired to be helpful to others, especially when no one else is judging.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some. Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very q…

Imagine a dishwasher that cleans a single dish in a few seconds. You could wash and put away in similar time to loading a regular dishwasher, and capacity would no longer be an issue. Taking something from being a process to being a single step in a process can have huge impact to how we do things and what is possible.

Maybe if you had special laser cleanable dishes?

Or semi reusable dishes where you have a very thin bioplastic film that is applied with a machine, thin enough to make cost and environmental concerns less relevant, and then on the bottom you have an air hole. Compressed air up it blows the film off and you start again.

Then the same hole is used to vacuum form the new film, while a computer vision camera makes sure everything happened correctly.

Could you make it thin enough to be less wasteful than the water to actually wash?

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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post #145

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Except for the drastically increased amount of water usage. The cost is negligible to run the dishwasher compared to the additional hot water usage.

That is a fair point, although I wonder how long this will hold true considering the ever increasing prevalence of heatpumps, sun-boilers, and other such equipment.

Stuff you should know did an episode on dishwashers and I believe if you washed your dishes for a minute, you've already used more water than a dishwasher. It was pretty mindblowing. They did, though, go through some studies that made it seem that dishwashers were too sterile and getting a little leftover or germ from your handwashed plates was better for your immune system.
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