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Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by userbinator »

goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

My decades-old washing machine has a clearly labeled "cycle end signal loudness" knob. It ranges from off to so loud I can hear it from the other end of the house on a different floor.

The other reply with the instructions on how to adjust the volume of the signal shows just how far UI has regressed. Instead of twisting a knob, you need to know some obscure key sequence.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by hdhrufjdi »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #162

Slow dishwasher is a huge pain. When relatives visit and join dinner (and they do so often) I end up with more dishes than I can fit in the dishwasher. I can wash the remaining dishes the next morning, but this wastes energy and water because the dishwasher is not full. I can also "preventatively" turn on the dishes in the afternoon, to wash the breakfast and lunch dishes, so that it's completely empty for the dinner…

How does a faster dishwasher help here?

Also: you can't cook without the dishwasher running everytime before you cook?

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by [deleted] »

speed_spread wrote: post #89
goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

I'm pretty certain that's not an engineer's feature but rather the great idea of a product manager answering to marketing concerns wanting to make the product more "human" or some shit like that. The engineer sighed, implemented the thing, kept his job and moved on. BTW, my Samsung _played a 30 second song_ (loudly beeping) when it was done. I think it was Schubert or something? And again, no documented way to shut i…

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by wheels »

RangerScience wrote: post #156

> In the same way, people don’t buy a dishwasher, they buy clean dishes before their next meal. Ironically, this tells me some... awkward things about how the author relates to their kitchen. I cook - a lot. I host parties - usually dinner parties - and I use cheap Ikea plates & etc instead of disposable anythings. And like (most?) millenials-ish, the kitchen is where we tend to hang out. My dishwasher isn't so that…

Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some.

Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very quiet model for that reason.) Particularly since I have some stuff I'd like to have clean before the morning.

This is a pretty terrible example for the author's point.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by ROTMetro »

krisroadruck wrote: post #31
bradleyjg wrote: post #9

Dishwasher cycles have been getting longer and longer and it’s a pain in the neck. Give me back my hour long cycle and actually clean dishes, please.

You can blame detergent regulations for this. About a decade or so back phosphates were banned from detergents. The problem is that was the thing that made them work really well. In order to compensate for less effective detergents, cycle times have gotten longer. Phosphate detergents are still available in commercial soaps, but I don't recommend skirting the regs here as they had some solid reasoning (algae blooms).…

I love how you just gloss over 'solid reasoning' and 'still available in commercial soaps'. If it's bad enough to be taken out of residential use it should be taken out of commercial use. There should not be separate classes of what people are allowed to do in America. Things like this previously drove me to be an a*hole libertarian out of frustration.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by ROTMetro »

h2odragon wrote: post #19
bradleyjg wrote: post #9

Dishwasher cycles have been getting longer and longer and it’s a pain in the neck. Give me back my hour long cycle and actually clean dishes, please.

But that would require phosphates and those are bad now

Only bad for residential users. They are actually totally OK for commercial users (in America rights and restrictions get split into different classes for different groups of users now).

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by skhameneh »

bradleyjg wrote: post #9

Dishwasher cycles have been getting longer and longer and it’s a pain in the neck. Give me back my hour long cycle and actually clean dishes, please.

Check out the Miele G7000 series, I got the Miele G7156 (entry-ish model for the 7000 series) and exclusively buy their consumables (except for water conditioner salt). Calibrate your water hardness and double check your install (just in case, install techs where I live will just breeze through menus and do really dumb stuff they shouldn't like run it with the softener dry). Then set it to Quick + Intense Zone and never mess with the settings again... It just works and the time estimates are dynamic, we get ~1h4m full cycles with three washes per cycle. You can make it faster, but only by reducing intensity or reducing the wash count per cycle. It's amazing and possibly my favorite appliance purchase. As I said entry-ish, but only for their latest series, it's still luxury, and the steps up are mostly AutoDos (automatic consumable discs at a premium price), connectivity, and touchscreens. The G7156 is basic non-connected, has push buttons, has a water softener and will auto-open for faster drying (can be turned off, but I suggest keeping it on).

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by KiwiJohnno »

goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

My dishwasher (LG) plays a cheerful tune to let you know when it has finished its cycle (60 mins) At least its not too obtrusive, and it only does it once.

But.... then it has a cooldown timer, and if you open the door within the next 30 mins it LOSES ITS SHIT at you, beeping and carrying on because the dishes haven't finished drying.

I mean... Why play the happy tune to announce to the world that you've finished... when you actually haven't.

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