Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin (2022) • Hacker News Board

Re: Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin (2022)

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Post by ggm » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 1:42 AM UTC

It's a rather odd memory I have, but IIRC IETF hummed and hawed about certifying XMPP. As I recall it, there was a plenary where the IESG/IAB was taken to task by the WG participants who basically said if the IETF didn't get of its bum and WGLC the docs, they were going to make a lot of noise and walk to another SDO.

I totally did not understand what was the issue. I suspect, but only suspect it was the intersection of the vendor specific aspects of closed-walled-gardens, and not entirely grokking applications-layer specification in a body which focuses on the transport-network-routing layer problems a lot.

Re: Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin (2022)

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Post by corndoge » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 1:42 AM UTC

eyelidlessness wrote: post #23

ecliptik wrote: post #3

There was a brief period in the aughts when Pidgin and libpurple covered almost all messaging platforms in a single application. AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Jabber, IRC, you name it. You could even layer on encryption with the OTR plugin, message logging, automation and countless other plugins. At the time I took this for granted and didn't appreciate just how wonderful it was.

Begrudgingly-former Adium (~Mac equivalent of Pidgin) user here: it was glorious indeed! I didn’t take it for granted because I had already been using the prior iteration of incompatible chat apps soup, and I clung to it far longer than most reasonable people would as it became a ghost town on supported protocols. The biggest exodus at the time (from my perspective) was when Google closed up whatever their current br…

Matrix is working on bringing that world back, and works pretty well, although configuring a homeserver with the necessary bridges is more difficult than pidgin was.

Re: Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin (2022)

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Post by rw_grim » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 1:47 AM UTC

eyelidlessness wrote: post #23

ecliptik wrote: post #3

There was a brief period in the aughts when Pidgin and libpurple covered almost all messaging platforms in a single application. AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Jabber, IRC, you name it. You could even layer on encryption with the OTR plugin, message logging, automation and countless other plugins. At the time I took this for granted and didn't appreciate just how wonderful it was.

Begrudgingly-former Adium (~Mac equivalent of Pidgin) user here: it was glorious indeed! I didn’t take it for granted because I had already been using the prior iteration of incompatible chat apps soup, and I clung to it far longer than most reasonable people would as it became a ghost town on supported protocols. The biggest exodus at the time (from my perspective) was when Google closed up whatever their current br…

You may be interested to know that Pidgin 3 is targeting macOS natively. We don't have a release date yet, but we are inching closer and closer to an alpha which I've written a blog post about what we're targeting with it. Yes this is on patreon but it's public https://www.patreon.com/posts/what-were-with-3-78291546

Re: Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin (2022)

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Post by rw_grim » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 1:48 AM UTC

corndoge wrote: post #32

eyelidlessness wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Begrudgingly-former Adium (~Mac equivalent of Pidgin) user here: it was glorious indeed! I didn’t take it for granted because I had already been using the prior iteration of incompatible chat apps soup, and I clung to it far longer than most reasonable people would as it became a ghost town on supported protocols. The biggest exodus at the time (from my perspective) was when Google closed up whatever their current br…

Matrix is working on bringing that world back, and works pretty well, although configuring a homeserver with the necessary bridges is more difficult than pidgin was.

We're still here!! And there's a ton of support for stuff via third party protocols. I know it's not ideal, but things will get easier when Pidgin 3 finally gets closer to a release.

See this page for a list of all the third party protocol support https://pidgin.im/plugins/?publisher=all&query=&type=Protoco...

Re: Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin (2022)

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Post by rw_grim » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 1:51 AM UTC

djha-skin wrote: post #4

ecliptik wrote: post #3

There was a brief period in the aughts when Pidgin and libpurple covered almost all messaging platforms in a single application. AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Jabber, IRC, you name it. You could even layer on encryption with the OTR plugin, message logging, automation and countless other plugins. At the time I took this for granted and didn't appreciate just how wonderful it was.

It took a while, but it's gotten pretty good again. Harder to get plugins running than it used to be, but now there's Slack, Matrix, Teams, and (shameless plug) GroupMe[1]. Works well enough for me these days :) 1: https://github.com/djhaskin987/groupme-purple . Kudos to its original author, Alyssa Rosenzweig :)

Looks like I need to update this page then :-D https://pidgin.im/plugins/?publisher=all&query=groupme&type=...

Re: Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin (2022)

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Post by zamadatix » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 1:51 AM UTC

djha-skin wrote: post #16

zamadatix wrote: post #11

With the rate of feature change in Teams I'd be afraid to use something like this. I have a hard enough time trusting the official client to work! Beeper was working on a Teams bridge but threw in a towel for, as I understand it, similar reasons.

There's user interface stability and then there's API stability. To backend API is probably much more stable so that the front end has something to lean on when it does all of its changes.

I mean things like polls, additional message reactions, self chat, and pinned chats (looking at new features from last year) not just front end stuff like message density, theme changes, and whatnot.

Many of these probably just extend the existing API and others may not break things just not work but if someone pins a chat, starts a poll, or sends a new reaction and you don't know it because your client isn't keeping as up to date with these sorts of things it can be annoying at best and problematic at worst. It gets especially bad if you consider meeting chats, it seems like there is an endless stream of new functionality happening there like stuff around breakout rooms.

Re: Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin (2022)

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Post by rw_grim » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 1:53 AM UTC

hestefisk wrote: post #22

Imagine a chat application with Teams that is actually /usable/. I really miss the days of Pidgin. Fun fact: the KDE / Linux client for MSN had a feature whereby it would notify me (by opening a window) if someone had clicked on my profile in MSN Messenger and started typing a message, but not yet sent it. It was a really nice way of freaking regular MSN Messenger users out. I cannot remember what the name of the app…

Yeah we're trying to tackle the usability stuff in Pidgin 3. Unfortunately due to API guarantees we just can't make the changes people want in purple2/pidgin2, so it is what it is. We are nearing an alpha soon (tm) (no date set) but they goal is to have basic pidgin 2 functionality with the ability to add all the new features.

I have a public blog post on my patreon that goes into some more detail if you're interested. https://www.patreon.com/posts/what-were-with-3-78291546

Re: Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin (2022)

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Post by rw_grim » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 1:55 AM UTC

l72 wrote: post #8

pidgin + libpurple is great, and it makes interacting with Slack and other chat systems I use daily so much better. It's too bad libpurple clients seem to have withered on other platforms (what happened to Adium?) I really miss the days of a unified chat application (anyone remember how amazon the chat app on the Palm Pre was? It'd seamlessly switch between jabber/aol/messenger and sms) I've even written my own libpu…

I'm planning on doing all sorts of tutorials for pidgin 3 when it gets closer to release. Things are so much different that it's going to be a requirement to get people to port stuff :)

Re: Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin (2022)

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Post by zamadatix » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 1:56 AM UTC

rw_grim wrote: post #33

eyelidlessness wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Begrudgingly-former Adium (~Mac equivalent of Pidgin) user here: it was glorious indeed! I didn’t take it for granted because I had already been using the prior iteration of incompatible chat apps soup, and I clung to it far longer than most reasonable people would as it became a ghost town on supported protocols. The biggest exodus at the time (from my perspective) was when Google closed up whatever their current br…

You may be interested to know that Pidgin 3 is targeting macOS natively. We don't have a release date yet, but we are inching closer and closer to an alpha which I've written a blog post about what we're targeting with it. Yes this is on patreon but it's public https://www.patreon.com/posts/what-were-with-3-78291546

Thank you for all of the work on Pidgin over the years.

Re: Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin (2022)

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Post by filmgirlcw » Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 2:02 AM UTC

eyelidlessness wrote: post #23

ecliptik wrote: post #3

There was a brief period in the aughts when Pidgin and libpurple covered almost all messaging platforms in a single application. AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Jabber, IRC, you name it. You could even layer on encryption with the OTR plugin, message logging, automation and countless other plugins. At the time I took this for granted and didn't appreciate just how wonderful it was.

Begrudgingly-former Adium (~Mac equivalent of Pidgin) user here: it was glorious indeed! I didn’t take it for granted because I had already been using the prior iteration of incompatible chat apps soup, and I clung to it far longer than most reasonable people would as it became a ghost town on supported protocols. The biggest exodus at the time (from my perspective) was when Google closed up whatever their current br…

When Apple dropped iChat it hurt too. I agree with you that Google was the mail in the coffin but the fact that there was no way for me to go from my .Mac iChat account to iMessage seamlessly (I could use the same ID but had to add everyone as contacts again).

Slack was definitely a major blow. I used Campfire at work but we still had to use other services, usually gChat, to message privately. When we migrated to Slack in 2014 or whatever, we now had a service that allowed private messaging AND had mobile apps too — something that the old era of the Adium/Pidgin/Trillian’s never quite executed on (I know there were mobile AIM and gChat clients back in the day; I had AIM on my SideKick in high school and a number of decentish apps on iOS even, but those protocols just weren’t ever designed or well-adapted/executed to push messaging a la BBM or iMessage or SMS the way it needed to be — largely thanks to the wireless carriers who wanted to keep a hold of that pure profit SMS for as long as possible.) We had mobile-first/mobile-only services like WhatsApp (which immediately took off outside the US) and the GroupMe’s had some success too, but those services were slow to support (if they ever did) XMPP or other bridges to get them working on desktop), so Slack was a nice unifier.

I loved Adium for so long. I even had a Slack bridge I think in it at some point. But I had to finally let it go and remove it from my dock.

I pay for Beeper today, but I don’t use it as much as I would like. But it remains one of the better ways for me to recreate the world I had 10 and 15 years ago.