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This is just whitewashing history.
Nalanda University flourished for more than seven centuries
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From the article:
They gathered here to learn medicine, logic, mathematics and – above all – Buddhist principles from some of the era's most revered scholars.
How is that not multi-subject?
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This take, whether you realize it or not, is precisely how a Western-centric perspective misses large swaths of actual human history. The West did not invent the concept of a university. Like much of Western thought and society, it was quite late to the party from its Eastern counterparts. When you take a *modern* definition of the word "university" and compare it to facts about a *nearly 2 millennia old educational intuition*, you should expect at least some technical, minute, semantic differences.
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Saying that proper university did not exist before 11th century is disingenuous at its best and propaganda at its worst. It's like saying there is no proper engineering existed before civil engineering (civilian engineering) while military engineering has existed since time immomerial. There were numerous institutions of higher learning or universities in Muslim Spain, Middle East and Italian Sicily that the latter w…
> Ever wondered why all degrees granting universities using Arabic styled robe during graduation?
I always assumed that's an American thing. I'm from southern Europe, I've graduated from university, and I've never seen anyone do the graduation with hats and capes, I've only seen it in Hollywood movies.
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> These were religious schools
So were most of the world greatest universities - harvard, yale, oxford, etc.
Modern universities as we know it ( secular, research based, etc ) started with the humboldtian model in the 1800s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldtian_model_of_higher_ed...
Neither Bologna, nor nalanda, are universities as currently defined.
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Saying that proper university did not exist before 11th century is disingenuous at its best and propaganda at its worst. It's like saying there is no proper engineering existed before civil engineering (civilian engineering) while military engineering has existed since time immomerial. There were numerous institutions of higher learning or universities in Muslim Spain, Middle East and Italian Sicily that the latter w…
> Ever wondered why all degrees granting universities using Arabic styled robe during graduation?
i believe you mean “monastic robes”; parts of the regalia retain liturgical names. (like “stole”).
european universities retain a distinct monastic connection because that’s where many of them arose: monks teaching the wastrel children of the rich to be marginally more civilized.
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#979 million books and 10k students - Unrealistic.
Yale has 15k students and its library has a collection of 15 million.
Cornell has 25k students and 10 million books.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It depends on how you define a university. I think the institution that invented the term probably gets to define it. And that is the University of Bologna.
So what about Bachelor and Baccalaureate both being words that have their pre-Latin roots in Arabic: Bihaqq Al-riwayatt (“the right to restate the learning to somebody else“). Or the fact that ceremonial graduation garb in the EU and US, from the robes to the caps, is also based in Arab tradition. The medieval Enlightenment and subsequent Renaissance was huge for Europe, yes, but just as important to realize today is…
> Or the fact
Muslims are just as capable as Christians at promoting theories with very little evidence to support their arguments.
Both of your assertions are unproven theories, with the evidence against them: bachelor originally meant a young knight who followed another (though the etymology before that is uncertain), and academic robes derive from similar (European) mediaeval clerical and secular clothing.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=baccalaureus&old...
Please check this discourse on the matter, perhaps someone can further research on original etymology of the Bachelor word [1]. I have read before about the origin of the convocation robe from the fruits gown but it's rather comical IMHO. The more plausible explanation is that they want to copy the learned people at the medieval time, i.e. Arabic speaking people, during the European dark ages by imitating the Arabic…
> The more plausible explanation is that they want to copy the learned people at the medieval time, i.e. Arabic speaking people, during the European dark ages by imitating the Arabic styled robe with the robe and the turban.
The academic dress found in most universities in the Commonwealth of Nations and the United States is derived from that of the universities of Oxford and Cambridge, which was a development of academic and clerical dress common throughout the medieval universities of Europe.[1]
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The modern gown is derived from the roba worn under the cappa clausa, a garment resembling a long black cape. In early medieval times, all students at the universities were in at least minor orders, and were required to wear the cappa or other clerical dress, and restricted to clothes of black or other dark colour. The gowns most commonly worn, that of the clerical type gowns of bachelor's degrees (BA and BS) and master's degrees (MA and MS), are substantially the same throughout the English-speaking world. All are traditionally made of black cloth, (although occasionally the gown is dyed in one of the university's colours) and the material at the back of the gown is gathered into a yoke.[2]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_dress#Overview_and_hi...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_dress#United_Kingdom_...
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Saying that proper university did not exist before 11th century is disingenuous at its best and propaganda at its worst. It's like saying there is no proper engineering existed before civil engineering (civilian engineering) while military engineering has existed since time immomerial. There were numerous institutions of higher learning or universities in Muslim Spain, Middle East and Italian Sicily that the latter w…
> Ever wondered why all degrees granting universities using Arabic styled robe during graduation? I always assumed that's an American thing. I'm from southern Europe, I've graduated from university, and I've never seen anyone do the graduation with hats and capes, I've only seen it in Hollywood movies.
In Portugal I know someone required to dress like Zorro for your PhD defense and face faculty all dressed like grand inquisitors. That isn't a joke. It was an amazing thing to see.