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Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by palata »

dijit wrote: post #87
palata wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess many people are in your situation. If they used Firefox, maybe it would help the "Google hegemony in browser tech" problem?

I use Safari so for now I don't consider myself part of the problem. Though I do launch Chrome to use Teams (because Teams is mandated by my org and I am too shrill and opinionated to install the desktop client).

> I use Safari so for now I don't consider myself part of the problem.

Got it, I misunderstood your sentence above!

> Though I do launch Chrome to use Teams (because Teams is mandated by my org and I am too shrill and opinionated to install the desktop client).

Yes, it doesn't help that companies don't give a damn, either :)

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by screamingninja »

dogma1138 wrote: post #47

Looks like someone made a boo-boo it’s simply based on the user agent, w/e string matching they do is too strict they aren’t checking for actual JS/WebASM compatibility or anything like that. Chrome stable with a non standard user agent doesn’t work on via the windows live url but works through the O365 corporate one, same with Safari Mobile without any user agent modification. This to me looks like stupidity more th…

> Looks like someone made a boo-boo it’s simply based on the user agent

More than a "boo-boo" in my opinion. Same issue with the new Bing Chatbot - it only works on Edge, but then works perfectly in Firefox when you change your user agent string. Not a technical limitation, but just an anti-competitive desire to drive users to their own products.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by webmaven »

nerdponx wrote: post #273
pluc wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

The entire point of my post is that Hanlon's razor is not a useful prior when the malice would be in service of greed.

Or as Upton Sinclair put it: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by scarface74 »

justinclift wrote: post #286
scarface74 wrote: post #258

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Yes, because as a mature adult , I don’t still hold grudges about something that happened over 25 years ago. Are you the type of person that still refuses to use Google services because they cancelled Google Reader over a decade ago? And just like I had to learn to adapt and change my behavior after failure, so did MS when it lost out in mobile and was sued.

Just for clarity, do you currently or have you previously worked for any of the Big Tech / FAANG firms? :)

I do currently. I work for the alphabetically first A in FAANG

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by tuwtuwtuwtuw »

3np wrote: post #239
tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #104

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Not always that simple. Where I work I need to provide a list of browsers customers can use, list those in the documentation and make sure QA test all of them and block any others. Bugs in the app can lead to big issues and telling the customers to use whatever browser suits them and "if it works it works" is not good enough. There are still large differences between browsers that feature existence is not same as fea…

> block any others. I get all the rest but not this part. A banner should work plenty?

I think it depends. Let's say I sell my finance application to an organization with 10k employees. They then use it to handle transactions on around 100mil per month.

If there are bugs, it may result in money being transfered to the wrong company, or money being transfered without proper approval. Maybe unlikely bugs but could happen.

I can show a banner telling each of the 10k users about browser requirements. I guess that around 99% of the users will ignore that banner and happily proceed with unsupported browsers.

If I don't know if it will work with the browser they are using, why should I let them perform transactions using it? Sure, if it goes wrong maybe I can tell the CFO that their employee ignored the banner, but that won't make him happy.

For me selling the service there are zero benefits with allowing arbitrary browsers.

Re: Microsoft Teams is blocking Firefox Nightly

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Post by subarctic »

account42 wrote: post #297
subarctic wrote: post #291

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Plenty of non-malicious people are incompetent, and there's a lot more of them

There might be a lot more non-malicious people in the population as a whole but I would not be surprised if there are more malicious than non-malicious people in positions of power, including those positions where you can make anti-competitive decisions for a giant megacorporation. But even if that is not the case and malicious people are not the norm even there, using Hanlon's razor to try and shut down any discussi…

Well, I guess you do have a point there about regular people vs corporate entities that start with M and end with icrosoft
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