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Freshly baked bread can be hard to obtain in many parts of the US. For me if I wanted fresh baked bread every day and not make it myself, I'd be looking at like 40-60 minutes of extra time per day if I drive there every day. The closest grocery store to me is 1.5 miles away up an extremely steep hill. Shit, fresh vegetables can be hard to obtain in many parts of the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert We'…
Freshly baked bread is available to _everyone_. Buy some flour, take a cup of flour, mix some water, maybe some salt, squish it some and bake it. The downfall of society will happen within arms length of wisdom and knowledge.
Ultra-processed foods may contribute to cognitive decline
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Re: Ultra-processed foods may contribute to cognitive decline
#72> Even packaged breads, including those high in nutritious whole grains, qualify as ultra-processed in many cases because of the additives and preservatives they contain. However much I'd like to alter my diet to be more healthy, including flavored nuts or bread as ultraprocessed means I have nearly zero chance avoiding a sizable portion of what academic scientists label as ultraprocessed. These studies and press rel…
Well, that's because they are. The question is why they are unhealthy.
Take an Apple. You eat it, it is healthy.
Slice it. You eat the slices, it's not making much of a difference. You are still eating whole chunks.
Make juice out of it. NOW it is no longer healthy. Not only because you have shredded fibers (so the fructose will absorb faster) but you are probably going to drink many more apples than you otherwise would. And your gut bacteria will be unhealthy. You are probably still fine if you drink a small amount.
Add sugar to it - now it's extremely unhealthy and it's basically a coke but with more nutrients and it's not healthy in any amount.
Or take rice. Cook the rice - fine. Polish the rice before cooking so you have white rice: no longer fine.
Food that's unprocessed, there's very little restrictions. You are going to get full eating them anyway, so it's fine. As you increase the amount of processing, you should eat less and less of them.
> high calorie soda
Note that calories are only relevant to laboratories. Living organisms work very differently. Calories are not fungible. An almond has a similar calorie content as a soda can, but it doesn't matter: we do not absorb all the calories in an almond. It's a similar thing when you eat an avocado: it's very calorie-dense, but a lot of it is in fats that will be absorbed very slowly.
Even simple sugars work very differently from one another. Our cells can readily use glucose(that will require insulin). Our cells, with very few exceptions, cannot use fructose. It goes straight to your liver to be processed by fructokinase. Most of it will actually become triglycerides and you will only burn that when you are burning fat. That process also takes a lot of energy(basically you get into debt to be repaid later). There's also a limited amount your liver can process and that's why people are getting fatty livers even without drinking - from the point of view of your liver, you might as well be drinking.
Re: Ultra-processed foods may contribute to cognitive decline
#73> Even packaged breads, including those high in nutritious whole grains, qualify as ultra-processed in many cases because of the additives and preservatives they contain. However much I'd like to alter my diet to be more healthy, including flavored nuts or bread as ultraprocessed means I have nearly zero chance avoiding a sizable portion of what academic scientists label as ultraprocessed. These studies and press rel…
> I have nearly zero chance avoiding a sizable portion of what academic scientists label as ultraprocessed. You can, you've just prioritized taste/convenience over your health. Going into a supermarket and looking at what people put into their carts pretty much confirms this. > a lot of people are going to struggle to understand what isn't ultraprocessed Maybe read the labels? Also buying the cheapest thing there (w/…
Re: Ultra-processed foods may contribute to cognitive decline
#74Oof, what exactly is "ultra processed food", because as far as I can tell it's "whatever seems bad". How much "processing" a potato chip gets (slice, fry, salt) is a whole lot different than one of the meat substitute burgers. It seems like anything done on an industrial scale is evil and anything done in your kitchen is fine, despite the two being very similar in many cases. Either there's a problem with specific in…
"Eat food, mostly greens, not too much" -Michael Pollan Go to the supermarket and only buy things with one ingredient, cook and eat those things. What qualifies? Vegetables, fruit, rice, beans, meat, etc. ONE ingredient only. (Technically raw sugar or lard qualify to be on my list, but I think most people who passed high school know those aren't food) EDIT: well, yes raw sugar and lard are food, what I meant was you…
I'm with you on refined sugar, though, which is what I think you probably meant by raw sugar.
Re: Ultra-processed foods may contribute to cognitive decline
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I'm not sure what the situation in many parts of the US is, but is not freshly baked bread, the kind with unsurprising ingredients and that goes stale when you'd expect it, not an option? The stuff made to sit on the supermarket's shelf for long times has such an odd consistency and flavor, very spongy and very tangy and sweet, you can't spread anything on it without toasting it first. I wouldn't take it as the stand…
If you want to understand what the average American consumes the answer is whatever is on the shelf of their local Walmart (they sell groceries). The average American may assemble food from time to time but generally does not cook. That said, there are hundreds of millions of people in that country, so this is obviously a generalization, and should be treated as such. That said Lidl is making aggressive inroads into…
I just don't even understand how that works, even if you have enough income, how do you have enough space to like store all the trash for the week?
Don't you just get tired of restraunt food at some point?
Re: Ultra-processed foods may contribute to cognitive decline
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That's commendable. It's "simple" as in not complicated and easy to understand. It's "difficult" as in it requires an incredible amount of discipline, and potentially time, compared to the alternative.
> It's "difficult" as in it requires an incredible amount of discipline Maybe at the beginning of this lifestyle it was somewhat difficult and there was some fight inside me (hard not to buy sweets at the store counter etc) but it fairly quickly turned into subconscious, almost mechanical way of doing things. It's similar to addiction detox: when I ditched smoking (after 20+ years), it was hard at the beginning, ther…
We are in the 1960s smoking phase of bad diets. It is hard to escape terrible junk foods at just about any place that serves anything edible.
Re: Ultra-processed foods may contribute to cognitive decline
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"People are studying a thing, though nothing conclusive yet" is still a point, and a moderately useful one even.
Not especially newsworthy, though.
Re: Ultra-processed foods may contribute to cognitive decline
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure what the situation in many parts of the US is, but is not freshly baked bread, the kind with unsurprising ingredients and that goes stale when you'd expect it, not an option? The stuff made to sit on the supermarket's shelf for long times has such an odd consistency and flavor, very spongy and very tangy and sweet, you can't spread anything on it without toasting it first. I wouldn't take it as the stand…
You can buy fresh products at a reasonable cost in the USA, just have to make the effort to look. Talking about processed bread, here is an example from Sam's Club [0] for sourdough boules, at $6 for four (about 1kg total). The ingredient list contains nothing ultra-processed. [0]: Soudough boules at Sam's Club https://www.samsclub.com/p/members-mark-sourdough-boules-4-c...
Re: Ultra-processed foods may contribute to cognitive decline
#79> Even packaged breads, including those high in nutritious whole grains, qualify as ultra-processed in many cases because of the additives and preservatives they contain. However much I'd like to alter my diet to be more healthy, including flavored nuts or bread as ultraprocessed means I have nearly zero chance avoiding a sizable portion of what academic scientists label as ultraprocessed. These studies and press rel…
Re: Ultra-processed foods may contribute to cognitive decline
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> However much I'd like to alter my diet to be more healthy, including flavored nuts or bread as ultraprocessed means I have nearly zero chance avoiding a sizable portion of what academic scientists label as ultraprocessed. How so? I eat organic veggies, organic meat, nothing with added sugars, from time to time I drink a glass of organic wine. It's absolutely not difficult to avoid anything "ultra-processed" (I disl…
That's commendable. It's "simple" as in not complicated and easy to understand. It's "difficult" as in it requires an incredible amount of discipline, and potentially time, compared to the alternative.
I believe that time and energy are what many Americans are running in too short of supply on to transition to more wholesome diets. Most have so much on their plates to deal with already that the idea of thinking about additional things they technically don't have to is unappealing, even if it's at the cost of their own health. It's why ultraprocessed foods became so common in the first place.
It's just another microcosm of a culture that's obsessed with productivity and has little resembling proper work-life balance.