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Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by disqard »

Version467 wrote: post #435
mmcdermott wrote: post #398

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I find the syllogism here a little hard to follow, because here is what the first bit looks like to me: 1. Web search is useful, both for work/productivity and recreation. 2. Running servers to index the internet is a scale of compute beyond the effort and expense of most or all of home users. 3. Web search has distinct economies of scale when applied. 4. Said economies must be funded in some way. 5. There are two pr…

In case you need a nudge from another very happy kagi user, consider trying it out. I used kagi for a few months when it was still in beta (and thus free) and had to decide if I wanted to pay for it to keep using it, or go back to ad supported internet search. After wincing at the price for a bit I realised that my expectations for how much search should cost were all based on free ad supported search engines. The va…

Seconding (as a paying consumer) -- sign up for a month and try the experience for yourself.

It shows you the alternative Internet (ad-free, spam free, SEO-crap listicles not on the results page) that everyone here is constantly carping about missing.

If you want this reality, pay for it to help it exist. Else, put up with ads.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by hbn »

margorczynski wrote: post #215
petesergeant wrote: post #30

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I would guess they have a huge problem with ad blocking

Especially that places like Reddit attract more "tech-savvy" people who have a high amount of ad block users. Naive web ads on places like that or e.g. Ars Technica is tricky most probably.

I think that was the case a few years back, but these days a lot of casual users are accessing it through the official app and getting served tons of ads.

It was a weird moment seeing a reddit comment where someone referred to the site as "this app." Made me feel old.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by code_architect »

auggierose wrote: post #378
JohnFen wrote: post #374

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Most people in the US love spending money. It's considered a recreational activity.

Hmmh, so why do so many people complain about paying for all the different streaming services like Disney plus, Netflix, Amazon prime, etc.? It's really peanuts compared to the value delivered.

Because the ones who enjoy paying for them do not complain so you believe the complainers are a majority.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by postalrat »

Double_a_92 wrote: post #382
polski-g wrote: post #341

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Discord should be publishing chat logs in HTML format, like how FreeNode did for their IRC logs.

I would dislike that. Imagine if every single thing you say to your friends while being in a public space was recorded for everyone to see in the future... The point of a chat is to be ephemeral. Otherwise it would just be a forum with really bad and chaotic content.

Archiving and indexing public IRC or Discord isn't the same as putting up microphones everywhere to listen to conversations between friends.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by seydor »

I m glad that GPTs are kicking SEOed content out of the internet. Using bing is much much better for researching health related stuff , even considering possible inaccuracies because it 's faster. You can hone in on the subject fast, then verify your result by checking the source. The google model was users -> google -> SEOed aggregator -> primary sources. If this is dead, the value of the primary sources will go up up up in price, and SEO farming (which includes a ton of news websites) will be dead. And that will be for the better

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by Night_Thastus »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #366
GeekyBear wrote: post #316

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> I don't know if it's Google that is dying. I tried to use Google to see what would be good brand to replace a decade old small electrical appliance that failed a couple of months ago. Absolutely none of the results were helpful until I tried the "append Reddit to the search terms" trick. Immediately, I found a link someone had shared to a consumer reports style review of different brands at different price points.…

The Reddit trick is increasingly less viable as marketers are astroturfing Reddit.

Agreed. What I've seen become more common is the following:

* They'll start by having * Account suddenly starts just re-posting very popular older posts, and other bots chime in that also copy the top comments from that post letter-for-letter

* Account goes on to shill some product

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by tokinonagare »

brookst wrote: post #402
tokinonagare wrote: post #238

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Try asking why Aragorn is a black man in the future LotR set on /r/magicTCG and see how long you can ask a question on something related to a product in that hobby after that. There are other swift ways to get ban, like noting that the body shape of some characters were changed drastically in-between old and newer cards. Basically anything going against the pandering of WotC to some twitter users.

So you’re saying they have little interest in entertaining someone who just wants to culture war? And that’s somehow bad?

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Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by pmlnr »

freediver wrote: post #426
pmlnr wrote: post #419

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> Kagi Search requires an account only because it is a paid service which requires an account for the transaction. Right. Definite "no".

Curious what would you do if you created an ad-free search engine?

It's not the money, it's that I'm tired of believing companies "we won't track you", especially when it's that easy, with login required.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by tokinonagare »

ilyt wrote: post #296
tokinonagare wrote: post #238

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Try asking why Aragorn is a black man in the future LotR set on /r/magicTCG and see how long you can ask a question on something related to a product in that hobby after that. There are other swift ways to get ban, like noting that the body shape of some characters were changed drastically in-between old and newer cards. Basically anything going against the pandering of WotC to some twitter users.

I got banned out of /r/games for asking "what rights trans people don't have that other humans do?" under post about someone yelling "trans rights are human rights" about Hogwart's legacy. Not being snarky at all, just curious (as I'm not from US and don't really get what the fuss is about). Still haven't got a coherent answer out of anyone I asked, just insults

The whole story related to Rowling supposedly being transphobe is crazy. All that canceling because she stated in a twit that "person who menstruate" is a stupid circumlocution around the word woman. Then, like religious taboo, it extended to whatever was linked to it. The irony is that all these cancelers are acting very 10-100 worst against whoever is the target of the anger than what happened to the people they are supposedly defending.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by projektfu »

brookst wrote: post #399
projektfu wrote: post #106

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Orwell's term is crimethink of course. I can only think of one party that recently passed laws making it a felony to say certain things to certain people. Thankfully you're still allowed to actually hold the thoughts in your head.

It has always been a felony to say “certain things to certain people”. See for instance fraud against the elderly. Which certain people are you being unfairly restrained from saying what certain things to?

Looking into it I probably accepted a framing I shouldn't have.
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